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Old 11-26-2013, 05:58 PM
 
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you're wrong ... as usual.
He is right. Look hard at the verses before and after and compare to ALL uses in revelation. It ain't Jesus.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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[quote=twin.spin;32394082and ... the only time I've heard the foolish argument of Thomas was using that as an expression was from JW's .... which anyone that isn't hostile to the truth can realize nowhere else in scriptures is that used in such manner.[/quote]
I find this funny. In talking to Jehovah's Witnesses I have never had one use it. I have only heard it used by those who disagree with them.

Actually the grammar explains the word use and the Bible the meaning.

KJV John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Note what you are to believe and .... you don't.

The article in Jn 20:28 is explained by the mou (mou, moo, “of me”) which normally requires the article before it; by its use with the vocative [case]...and by its presence in the established formula ‘the lord and the god’...It should be further noted that ‘the god of me’, whether it is taken as vocative [direct address] or nominative, [identification] is predicative in sense and so cannot be used as evidence either way to show whether the god in New Testament usage ever appears as subject of a statement referring to Christ.”—Karl Rahner, S.J., Theological Investigations, Vol. i, p. 136.

The adoring exclamation of St. Thomas “my Lord and my God”: (John xx.28) is still not quite the same as an address to Christ as being without qualification God.—John Martin Creed, The Divinity of Jesus Christ, p. 123.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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you're wrong ... as usual.

God speaking:
Rev 21:6-7
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.


Rev 22:12-13 (with corresponding refernces)
Jesus speaking:
“Look, I am coming soon! (1) My reward is with me (2), and I will give to each person according to what they have done (3).
I am the Alpha and the Omega (4), the First and the Last (5), the Beginning and the End ."
  1. Matthew 16:27
  2. Isaiah 40:10; Isaiah 62:11
  3. Matthew 16:27
  4. Revelation 1:8
  5. Revelation 1:17

Nope...you are as usuaal...
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by twin.spin View Post
you're wrong ... as usual.

God speaking:
Rev 21:6-7
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.


Rev 22:12-13 (with corresponding refernces)
Jesus speaking:
“Look, I am coming soon! (1) My reward is with me (2), and I will give to each person according to what they have done (3).
I am the Alpha and the Omega (4), the First and the Last (5), the Beginning and the End ."
  1. Matthew 16:27
  2. Isaiah 40:10; Isaiah 62:11
  3. Matthew 16:27
  4. Revelation 1:8
  5. Revelation 1:17

So, what is G-d's beginning?...
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:27 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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He is right. Look hard at the verses before and after and compare to ALL uses in revelation. It ain't Jesus.
He is right as far as the wantonly blind to the truth is concerned...
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:30 PM
 
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He is right as far as the wantonly blind to the truth is concerned...
Nope, it isn't hard to see IF one takes off the Trinitarian blinders
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