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Hmm,my first time ever hearing about ADAM being a hermaphodite .
I mean,if you belive THAT,then you might as well believe homosexuality isn't a choice,or a sin for that matter.
A man that turns himself into a woman isn't sinning in your eyes Eusebius?
A man and a woman together is not homosexuality.
It does not logically follow that if Adam was a hermaphrodite that therefore homosexuality is not a choice or a sin.
Which man turned himself into a woman? Sorry but I missed your point.
Sorry I should be clear. It sounds like GOD Turned Adam from a man into a woman,following that line of thinking.
Did Adam have male and female parts?
I thought Eve came from his rib.
God put Adam to sleep, took out the angular organ from between his legs and built Eve around it.
That does not turn Adam into a woman. It makes a woman out of the angular organ that came from Adam while Adam is the man side. God created the human male and female.
That's too bad. You seem to be drawn to all the web sites that write against the Bible. I just thought you'd like to be a fair and balanced person. I guess I was wrong.
Basically, the writing at that link screws your ideas to kingdom come.
No it doesn't. It is a biased apologist site, set up specifically to prove the Bible true, commonly known as 'Liars for Jesus'. The sort of site where you will find quote-mines of Darwin.
The dates that I gave you are (if you had bothered to look) the considered opinion of the majority of modern Bible scholars. Early dates for the compilation of the gospels are mainly found on Christian web-sites....and we know their agenda.
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Obviously they are eye-witness accounts of what Jesus did and said.
Oh don't be ridiculous!! 'Eye-witnesses' are people that witnessed the events with their own eyes and recorded it, not people who were told about what happened by other people.
Exo 19:7-8 So Moses came and called for the elders of the people and placed before them all these words which Yahweh had instructed him. (8) Now all the people responded together and said: All that Yahweh speaks we shall do. When Moses brought back the words of the people to Yahweh,
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Well, that is what they agreed He could do if He wanted to. But He was merciful.
How was He merciful?
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Most people don't realize that the law was given so that the offense would actually increase: (see Romans 5:20),
And it was given to escort them to Christ (see Gal.3:24).
God created mankind flesh. He gave the law knowing full well that, they being flesh would not be able to keep the law:
Rom 8:7-8 because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able." (8) Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.
God had to prove to them they could not keep the law. This is what a loving parent would do. I am a parent and I would teach my child it has limitations. Do you think it would be evil of me to make a law that my daughter not go past the sidewalk NO MATTER WHAT or she gets grounded for a week, and she agrees to that? And if she breaks my law I go through with what we both agreed upon? Or do you think it would be more loving to just laugh about her breaking my law, let her walk out into the street and get hit by a Mack truck or get taken by a predator?
You would have made a law that she COULD keep. Any child CAN refrain from not going past the sidewalk. My son is 9 and has limits of where he can ride his bike. It is not a law I laid down thinking there is no way he can keep it.
Your analogy does not fit. I do not give my children rules to prove to them that they cannot keep them. If I make a rule, I know it is one that can be followed. For me to make a rule, or law, knowing they can't keep it, and punish them for it, is unloving, in my opinion.
I do believe if a child breaks a rule, they need to be punished. The difference between mine and God's punishment? It would fit the crime. I wouldn't punish her brother or someone else because of something she did, unlike God who punished generation after generation.
No it doesn't. It is a biased apologist site, set up specifically to prove the Bible true, commonly known as 'Liars for Jesus'. The sort of site where you will find quote-mines of Darwin.
Let's think about this: You go to atheist sites to find supposed contradictions in the bible but they aren't biased but if I go to christian web sites which prove the atheist's so-called contradictions to be incorrect then they are biased. What planet are you from?
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The dates that I gave you are (if you had bothered to look) the considered opinion of the majority of modern Bible scholars. Early dates for the compilation of the gospels are mainly found on Christian web-sites....and we know their agenda.
Oh I get it, you can use the fallacy of appealing to authority or the fallacy of majority to prove your point even though it proves nothing. But if I go to a christian web site which actually proves early dating of the Bible then those type of sites are biased? Oh dear!
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Oh don't be ridiculous!! 'Eye-witnesses' are people that witnessed the events with their own eyes and recorded it, not people who were told about what happened by other people.
Let's think about this: You go to atheist sites to find supposed contradictions in the bible but they aren't biased but if I go to christian web sites which prove the atheist's so-called contradictions to be incorrect then they are biased. What planet are you from?
Oh I get it, you can use the fallacy of appealing to authority or the fallacy of majority to prove your point even though it proves nothing. But if I go to a christian web site which actually proves early dating of the Bible then those type of sites are biased? Oh dear!
He often overlooked the sins of the people and didn't always spank them. He was long suffering with them.
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You would have made a law that she COULD keep. Any child CAN refrain from not going past the sidewalk. My son is 9 and has limits of where he can ride his bike. It is not a law I laid down thinking there is no way he can keep it.
Not if you put a bowl of cookies and other enticing goodies on the other side of the sidewalk and let her go a little hungry.
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Your analogy does not fit. p
Hey, I never said I was perfect!
But suppose I was? Suppose I was able to create my daughter with the innate propensity that she felt she just HAD to cross that sidewalk, that she just HAD to disobey me?
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I do not give my children rules to prove to them that they cannot keep them. If I make a rule, I know it is one that can be followed. For me to make a rule, or law, knowing they can't keep it, and punish them for it, is unloving, in my opinion.
YOu are not God. God knows what humans are capable of and knows what humans THINK they are capable of. He knew they could not keep the law. He created mankind flesh so they could not keep the law. But He gave the law to prove to them they could not keep it.
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I do believe if a child breaks a rule, they need to be punished. The difference between mine and God's punishment? It would fit the crime. I wouldn't punish her brother or someone else because of something she did, unlike God who punished generation after generation.
God later said that each person for their own sin will be punished and not the sons for the sins of the fathers. Do you remember reading that in the Bible. It is in there.
He often overlooked the sins of the people and didn't always spank them. He was long suffering with them.
True. Sometimes He was merciful.
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Not if you put a bowl of cookies and other enticing goodies on the other side of the sidewalk and let her go a little hungry.
See, I would never do such a thing. I bet you wouldn't either.
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Hey, I never said I was perfect!
But suppose I was? Suppose I was able to create my daughter with the innate propensity that she felt she just HAD to cross that sidewalk, that she just HAD to disobey me?
Would you? I'm betting no...
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YOu are not God. God knows what humans are capable of and knows what humans THINK they are capable of. He knew they could not keep the law. He created mankind flesh so they could not keep the law. But He gave the law to prove to them they could not keep it.
Exactly. Seems very unloving to me.
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God later said that each person for their own sin will be punished and not the sons for the sins of the fathers. Do you remember reading that in the Bible. It is in there.
Absolutely. He changed His mind, I suppose. Maybe realized how unfair it was?
I have read the bible. I have studied the bible. I have lived the bible. I have also realized that there are things in that bible that are just impossible to believe. This is one of those things...I do appreciate you talking with me about this, and being respectful. I'm off to bed, have a good evening.
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Oh dear!
I'm off to bed, have a good evening.
