Fundamentalist vs. Universalist...let's call a truce! (punishment, Revelation, verses)

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by cimaroon

No I don't hate my children but because i love them, I discipline them. God isn't doing evil to us he is teaching us right from wrong.

Discipline, I agree with.

However when one does the will of the Father one is not disciplined.

And the rape of children, sin and evil have nothing to do with Gods discipline of His children.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by cimaroon

No I don't hate my children but because i love them, I discipline them. God isn't doing evil to us he is teaching us right from wrong.

So do you teach you children to sin so you can disciple them and teach them sin is wrong?

[cimaroon]

Originally Posted by pneuma

Discipline, I agree with.

However when one does the will of the Father one is not disciplined.

And the rape of children, sin and evil have nothing to do with Gods discipline of His children.

No, God's discipline is death

[cimaroon]

let's get back to Eve. if she had no sin within her how could the devil tempt her to sin....the devil tempted Christ and he didn't sin!

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by cimaroon

you will know them by their fruit. So I will answer....God did not create Eve a good tree, if he did Eve would not have disobeyed God. She would have produced good fruit...obedience.

Kinda like Christ...he was made of the Spirit not of the earth and he always obeyed his Father.
Eve on the other hand was created from the earth. The same earth that God created in darkness.

So when God looked at all He created and said it was VERY good He was not including Eve it that statement.

Eve was wheat, the enemy (devil) sowed the tares among the wheat, NOT God.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by cimaroon

No, God's discipline is death

Sorry but the wages of sin is death.

Gods discipline is to LIFE.

[cimaroon]

Originally Posted by pneuma

So when God looked at all He created and said it was VERY good He was not including Eve it that statement.

Eve was wheat, the enemy (devil) sowed the tares among the wheat, NOT God.

And God did not say that until the sixth day...the day before the Sabbath when he also said now let us make man in our image. Until the Sabbath day we are not yet created in the image of GOD we are created in the image of the earth; the flesh

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by cimaroon

let's get back to Eve. if she had no sin within her how could the devil tempt her to sin....the devil tempted Christ and he didn't sin!

Just because one is tempted to sin does not mean one has to sin. Jesus proved that point.

It is not a sin for a bird to land in your hair, the sin comes from letting it build a nest.

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

"I form the light; and create evil."

A shift of emotion, creates a transference of blame from one person or thing to that of another.

"It's the Woman, you gave me."

[cimaroon]

Back to Eve...Eve was tempted by the devil because she already had sin within her. This is how God wanted her to be so that he could show her what was in her heart