Why would God not Restore paradise? Why does he need to 'rapture' believers? (reincarnate, women)
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I need you to ask yourself this question if you genuinely believe in rapture. God created us in his own image. God taught or fore parents Adam and Eve, in the garden of Eden, when Satan struck, scattering the destiny of humanity. But the Creator had always intended man to rule over all his creation.
So man's spiritual development was really an abandoned project, that was why Christ had to come to shed his blood to reconcile us to God and get the project back on track. With that reconciliation comes a responsibility. A responsibility built on trust, love, faith and hope in God plus a resolve to leave old things and practice righteousness. However, it appears that some of us are really getting ready to fly into the sky or to rapture. Is heaven located above the clouds? Don't we think that the abandoned project will one day be completed? Have we forgotten the parable of the wicked Husbandmen?
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He also told them a parable that there was a certain house holder who planted a vineyard and hedged it round about and dug a winepress in it, built a tower and let it out to husbandmen and then travelled out to a far country. At the harvest season, he sent his servants to inspect the vineyard and receive the fruits of it. As they arrived, the husbandmen took the servants and beat one, killed another and stoned another. Again he sent other servants, the second time more than the first, yet they were similarly maltreated. At last he sent unto them His son; satisfied that when they see Him they would reverence Him. But when the Son arrived, the husbandmen conspired and said: "this is the heir, let us kill Him that the inheritance may belong to us." They, therefore, caught Him, cast Him out of the vineyard and killed Him. He then asked them, when the Lord of the vineyard will come what will He do unto these wicked husbandmen? (Matt 21:33-40). He said to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures, the stone which the builders reject, the same is become the head of the corner (Ps 118:22 /Acts 4:11), and then concluded "Therefore say I unto you, the Kingdom of God shall be taken from the children of the Kingdom and given to a nation which bears good fruits." (Matt 21:43). And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt 21:44).
Who is the Householder? Is he not God? Why are we not expecting God to manifest physically on earth? Why are we only focused on Christ. Daniel had also informed us in Dan 2:44 about the coming of God.
The Bible talks about the God of heaven by himself setting up a kingdom on earth that will dominate other kingdoms. Christ prayed for this Kingdom of God to manifest. Christ manifested in the world as Emmanuel (God with us). If God could manifest in the world through the womb of a woman why would he not do that the second time? The womb of a woman is the path for all spirits to manifest into the material world and God has used that once and would still use that again as shown in Rev 12 : 1-6, Isaiah 9:6
Now that it is fully established that the King of kings and Lord of Lords is born of a woman, I want to focus on arguments that say he will drop from the sky and rapture the righteous ones. Perhaps they did not read the simple scripture in Mathew 5
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Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
How will they inherit the earth? 2 Peter details that a fire holocaust will wipe off unrighteous people from the face of the earth. A new world will be started by the remnants or survivors. It appears that the rapture crowd fail to see how this can be done in a crowded city or a crowded town. Perhaps they need to read about the burning bush. Moses was in awe of what he saw, but we need to know that our God is a consuming fire, but will spare the righteous.
When the Christ comes comes will he drop from the sky? Will he be an angel (drop from the sky) or will he be man ( born of a woman)?
Angels were never meant to rule, only man was ordained for that role, according to Genesis 1 and 2. Who will drop then from the sky? Only an angel can drop from the sky. If you see anyone from the sky know that he is not the one. He will be born as he was before (in a like manner), only that this time all God's angels must worship him. This is different from the previous era where he said that he could ask his Father to send him a legion of angels. The son of man now needs not request because all angels of God must worship him. The sun is an angel, the wind, earthquakes, storms, fire or rain or death or sickness are all angels, apart from the known ones. They number in millions and are very powerful.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Christ is the Holy Spirit of God in the Earth and Jesus is God , and His Father is God as all are one God and there are not different plans for God for the earth ..... See the world is a dark place were people are entrenched in sin which is alien to the Lord , ..And this world is the inheritance of Lord Jesus Christ , who a Holy God ..... So this world is heading to be lost to God by the growth of sin , which needs to be judged by Jesus but will start first by the world Judging it self by the sin that it holds ..... See the Lord Judges the sin by the curses that it will holds and if man wants sin then He will get sin at full tilt so to speak , every sin of this world will put the world down and stall everything .... Then the Lord will come in and remove this satan and his demons and bring his authority down to nil, ...which will bring renewal to the earth .... See the sin must be judged
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
if what you say is true, can you explain this?
One of the most misunderstood scripture. Descending from heaven is not a physical descent, as heaven is a spiritual abode. Jesus himself said he came down from 'heaven' and yet we know he was born physically. But he truly came down from heaven because his spirit is from heaven. The trump, the voice of the archangel will not be heard in the physical, no sir. The dead in christ rising is synonymous with incarnation back to the earth plane ( of course via birth) for the dead in Christ. Caught tup together in the clouds meets to be in one spiritual accord with Christ... And they meet in the air, which means in the world or physical plane. So the righteous will inherit the earth, just as he had spoken in Mathew 5.
One of the most misunderstood scripture. Descending from heaven is not a physical descent, as heaven is a spiritual abode. Jesus himself said he came down from 'heaven' and yet we know he was born physically. But he truly came down from heaven because his spirit is from heaven. The trump, the voice of the archangel will not be heard in the physical, no sir. The dead in christ rising is synonymous with incarnation back to the earth plane ( of course via birth) for the dead in Christ. Caught tup together in the clouds meets to be in one spiritual accord with Christ... And they meet in the air, which means in the world or physical plane. So the righteous will inherit the earth, just as he had spoken in Mathew 5.
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And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sitteth on the right hand of God.
The above verse shows that Jesus ascended to heaven with his incorruptible body. He will return the same way.
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:27
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:11.
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Matthew 16:27.
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 26:64.
"I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.
"Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left.
"Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." Luke 17 34-36
And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sitteth on the right hand of God.
The above verse shows that Jesus ascended to heaven with his incorruptible body. He will return the same way.
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:27
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:11.
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Matthew 16:27.
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 26:64.
"I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.
"Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left.
"Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." Luke 17 34-36
I welcome your quotes and your challenge. The verses are OK, but the understanding of the verses are not accurate. Let us examine them closely:
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And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sitteth on the right hand of God.
Acts1 mentioned that a cloud received him out of their sight. What happened afterwards was not stated. What we are told is that he is seated in the right hand of God in Heaven. That does not mean that the physical glorified body traveled past the clouds into outer space and got to a planet called heaven. We need to understand that heaven is a spiritual existence and what Christ demonstrated by going into the clouds is that when you die, you resurrect and your spirit goes to another plane of existence. How that happens, the physical body cannot see. Just like nobody sees when a spirit enters the womb of a woman or when a spirit leaves the body of a dieing man. The body of Christ was conveniently covered in a loud as it ascended. Why? It happened because a mystical transformation from physical to spiritual was about to take place and that did not need humans watching over the process. The concept that the man went all the way into space and zapped to heaven is inaccurate understanding. In heaven Christ must look like an angel and on earth he should look like a human being. You cannot see a spirit and live. The spirit cannot walk about naked. The clothing of the spirit on earth is the human body. All of us are all spirits from one part of the spiritual plane.
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For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:27
It means that the son of man will be known and would come with enormous powers that will be known worldwide. This is in line with the heb 1:6, that says that all angels shall worship him.
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Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7.
Note that he cometh with clouds, not from the cloud. Clouds here denotes heavenly power. Every eye seeing him must mean that those who died in that time will be reincarnated at the time of his second coming. Will they know him? I doubt it, because if they know him, he will not be the thief in the night. A thief comes into your house, you cannot know him until he reveals himself.
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Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:11.
Consider a situation where you and a couple of friends have seen off an important visitor. And you all watch him as he moves off facing his direction. Imagine that for a sec. Why you all stand in awe, his close relative comes to you and asks : 'Why do you stand looking at that direction?'
Your logical thinking will be to understand that the man cannot come back through that route again based on the operative question "why?". It means it was not necessary to continue looking in that direction.
'In a like manner'- What manner did we see him go into heaven? He went up as a human. In a like manner, as a human, shall he also come back. How does a human come back? Through the womb of . The first time he came he told them he came down from heaven. They disbelieved him because they knew his mother and his dad and they never saw him drop from the sky. Today when he comes from heaven will you know? Will he still not come back in a like manner? Are there other verses to validate this. Yes. Isaiah 9:16, Rev 12: 5, Heb 1:5-6
Coming in the clouds of heaven= coming in heavenly power
The one of two men in one place one will be killed the other left. The one killed is the one the angel has spared. Because when the son of man comes he sends out his angels to all corners of the world and they will gather together all things that offense and exterminate them so that the righteous shall enjoy paradise.
I welcome your quotes and your challenge. The verses are OK, but the understanding of the verses are not accurate. Let us examine them closely:
Acts1 mentioned that a cloud received him out of their sight. What happened afterwards was not stated. What we are told is that he is seated in the right hand of God in Heaven. That does not mean that the physical glorified body traveled past the clouds into outer space and got to a planet called heaven. We need to understand that heaven is a spiritual existence and what Christ demonstrated by going into the clouds is that when you die, you resurrect and your spirit goes to another plane of existence. How that happens, the physical body cannot see. Just like nobody sees when a spirit enters the womb of a woman or when a spirit leaves the body of a dieing man. The body of Christ was conveniently covered in a loud as it ascended. Why? It happened because a mystical transformation from physical to spiritual was about to take place and that did not need humans watching over the process. The concept that the man went all the way into space and zapped to heaven is inaccurate understanding. In heaven Christ must look like an angel and on earth he should look like a human being. You cannot see a spirit and live. The spirit cannot walk about naked. The clothing of the spirit on earth is the human body. All of us are all spirits from one part of the spiritual plane.
It means that the son of man will be known and would come with enormous powers that will be known worldwide. This is in line with the heb 1:6, that says that all angels shall worship him.
Note that he cometh with clouds, not from the cloud. Clouds here denotes heavenly power. Every eye seeing him must mean that those who died in that time will be reincarnated at the time of his second coming. Will they know him? I doubt it, because if they know him, he will not be the thief in the night. A thief comes into your house, you cannot know him until he reveals himself.
Consider a situation where you and a couple of friends have seen off an important visitor. And you all watch him as he moves off facing his direction. Imagine that for a sec. Why you all stand in awe, his close relative comes to you and asks : 'Why do you stand looking at that direction?'
Your logical thinking will be to understand that the man cannot come back through that route again based on the operative question "why?". It means it was not necessary to continue looking in that direction.
'In a like manner'- What manner did we see him go into heaven? He went up as a human. In a like manner, as a human, shall he also come back. How does a human come back? Through the womb of . The first time he came he told them he came down from heaven. They disbelieved him because they knew his mother and his dad and they never saw him drop from the sky. Today when he comes from heaven will you know? Will he still not come back in a like manner? Are there other verses to validate this. Yes. Isaiah 9:16, Rev 12: 5, Heb 1:5-6
Coming in the clouds of heaven= coming in heavenly power
The one of two men in one place one will be killed the other left. The one killed is the one the angel has spared. Because when the son of man comes he sends out his angels to all corners of the world and they will gather together all things that offense and exterminate them so that the righteous shall enjoy paradise.
*****Correction, the one left is the one the angels have spared!
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