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re: "The Messiah became the First Fruit and that Feast day is always on the 1rst day of the week after the sabbath, so if he didnt rise on a Sunday he cant be the First Fruit."
Why did the moment of resurrection have to take place on the first day of the week? The only reference of the first day of the week with regard to Firstfruits is to say when it is to be waved/presented to the Lord. While the Messiah did indeed became the antitype when He resurrected, what scriptural reason do you have for thinking that the moment of resurrection met the first day waving of the sheaf requirement of First Fruits instead of later when He presented Himself to the Father?
BTW, do you have any documentation asked for in the OP?
When I look up most of the writings of the 1rst century church fathers and believers, even they agreed he rose on a Sunday as well. Ill believe that before I believe todays society that wants to question every single thing is in bible as valid or not. But at the same time I know alot of what we do is influenced by the Church in Rome changes, so for all we know he could have really rose on Saturday just before sunset, but if Jesus did, dont you think someone would have seen this as it was day light still and the Romans had a guard at the tomb.
I do believe he rose after the sun went down on the Sabbath when it was dark and that would still be considered the 1rst day of the week. The whole Sunday morning at sunrise doesnt add up when you compare all gospels side by side. The Messiah became the First Fruit and that Feast day is always on the 1rst day of the week after the sabbath, so if he didnt rise on a Sunday he cant be the First Fruit.
There is a problem with the Feast of the First Fruits. According to the law after the Sabbath is the 16th of Nisan (Lev 23:11,15+16) and not the weekly Sabbath, again that has nothing to do with the Sunday. That the Sadducee s choose always the Sunday in despair of the Pharisees and against the law does not make it legal, that Jesus had to be raised on Sunday. So their is no difference, if He rose Saturday 3 PM or Saturday after Sunset, the First Fruits according to the law should be waved already on Friday, the 16th of Nisan. But the Priest in violation of the law waved the First Fruits on Sunday morning. Early that day Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene and He said to her that He was not yet ascended to His Father. That tells me that He had not yet brought the OT Saints to Heaven as First Fruits (1.Cor 15:51+52). But later, when the women went to the Apostles, they touched Him. That tells me, that in the meantime He brought the First Fruits to Heaven and began His ministry as High Priest. So He died at the time when the Passover lamb was offered in the temple and He waved the First Fruits the same time as it was done in the temple. If some one has a problem with time, the resurrected are in eternity and not bound to space and time, one day=1000 years, that makes one week less than 2 seconds our time. God bless!
Mt 12:40 are 72 hours, when day and night are mentioned, you cannot allegories it. Jesus died on Wednesday 3 PM and rose on Saturday 3 PM. He was not longer in the heart of the earth. That is Hell and not Paradise, because there is no tree of life, which is in the 3. Heaven. When the Gentile Church came to power, they threw out every one that kept the Sabbath and celebrated the 17th Nisan as the Resurrection day (about 325 AD). The Sunday is not the Resurrection day (especially not Easter Sunday). In Mark 16:9 the comma is on the wrong place: The right translation: "Now when Jesus was risen, early......"
Mt 28:1: "In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week" is Saturday evening according to Jewish and bible time. The dawn here is also in the evening, the same Greek word is used in Luke 23:54, the beginning of the Sabbath. At that time Jesus was already risen. The Resurrection of Christ`s body was the third day. The body was laid into the grave Wednesday eve before the Great Sabbath of Passover began and was in the grave less than 72 hours. Good Friday and Easter Sunday are made by man. The Crucifixion day is the 14th of Nisan and Resurrection day is the 17th of Nisan, which are during the Jewish Passover. It is a date in the year as our birthday and has nothing to do with Sunday. God bless!
I would also point out that when the women went to the tomb, it was still dark AND the tomb was already empty...
When I look up most of the writings of the 1rst century church fathers and believers, even they agreed he rose on a Sunday as well. Ill believe that before I believe todays society that wants to question every single thing is in bible as valid or not. But at the same time I know alot of what we do is influenced by the Church in Rome changes, so for all we know he could have really rose on Saturday just before sunset, but if Jesus did, dont you think someone would have seen this as it was day light still and the Romans had a guard at the tomb.
re: "... for all we know he could have really rose on Saturday just before sunset, but if Jesus did, dont you think someone would have seen this as it was day light still and the Romans had a guard at the tomb."
Are you suggesting that the Messiah had to have the stone removed in order for Him to be able to come out of the tomb? Or might not His glorified body have the ability to pass through solid objects (e.g. the closed up upper room)? And might not He be able to cause people to fail to recognize Him unless He wanted them to?
Jesus was on the cross more than one day as He broke the law of Moses from Galatians 3:13 which Apostle Paul noted and the Law was from Deuteronomy 21:22-23..... Then in John 19:31 said that they finished to job of lynching Jesus and the Sabbath was the next day ... then earlier from John 19: 14 preparations for the passover at the sixth hour when they condemned Jesus ..... So according to this Gospel of John they brought Jesus down from the cross by secret during the early on the Sabbath as if they took Jesus down on the same day he was on the cross , He would not have broke the law of Moses .... Even though the passover and the Sabbath do not alway fall in the calender on the same day every year the Gospel of John said they were close ...And the calender since the time of Jesus was put on the cross has changed and no one can say if Jesus was put on the cross in the year 33 AD, as it could have been 26 AD as some have speculated , so the time of the year for the passover is unknown ......
Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing.
What specific question or info are you inquiring about?
Ive looked into it more and there are arguments all day about a Wednesday vs Friday day of death still or the Saturday Night when it was dark which would be considered the 1rst day of the week vs Sunday morning rising from the grave.
Matthew 12:40
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Remember that Jesus never said he would be in the tomb three days and three nights. He gave the sign of Jonah and said he would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Heart of the earth is the key, since he always spoke in parables.
Finding out the meaning of in the heart of the earth could solve this issue. It could mean : surrounded by "earth (that is us: mankind)" and he unable to get away or he could mean something else for all i know.
It might explain 3 days 3 nights a little better, in regards to the heart of the earth not being the tomb.
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