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The point I make in all the posts rearding the bible,is knowing Christ is not knowing the bible. The scripture does not teach know your bible, it teaches seek and know The Lord. I am also certain that there are many on here who having seen God's heart towards them in a whoe new light,also see the scriptures in a whole new light too and have discovered something within them(the source of all life) that is more reliable than anything they have previously known.
You are right in that our relationship is with Christ. He is the living water. He is the source of life. That is understood.
However, none of that is confirmed without the Bible. People can have all kinds of different spirits and voices in their heads - but we have a written record with which we can verify what each spirit testifies to us - to ensure that it is in fact God's word. The same Spirit that you say speaks to you, told John the Apostle to write the Revelation, and Luke to write Acts, and so on, - and the translators to translate. Is the Spirit in them lesser than the Spirit in you? Do you have a greater measure of Christ that Peter, John, Moses, and Elijah - to the point where you discount what they wrote?
Actually it's a question of faith in what you choose to believe - or not to believe.
The most improbable event in the Bible is a dead man reappearing from the dead, eating, touching, performing bodily functions, and ascending into the sky. If you believe THAT - why is the rest of the Bible so difficult to fathom as a book of truth and authority?
Actually, the question is about why it is so important to you that the Bible hold the authority you claim for it when it does not claim authority for itself, and the history of it's making is fairly heavy with indications of doctrine inspired choices by the rapidly evolving Catholic Church, including destruction of documents that did not meet the arrived upon orthodoxy?
No, I did not answer with doctrines of men. I gave two very clear examples of the divine origin of Scripture.
My only interest in replying to your post was to show the divine authority of Scripture. You have been shown that both the Torah and the Book of Revelation (my two examples) are divine revelation and therefore have divine authority. And if you deny that, you do so in blatant rejection of what those Scriptures say.
So you claim that "Book of the Covenant" Moses wrote was the whole Torah rather than just the Laws of that Covenant and claim divine dictation of that whole section. Won't wash
The revelation is one specific recounting of a vision received by John. That John received a vision from God is true and that he wrote it down is also true, but that does not make the rest of the writers emanuenses.
But you don't want to answer the real question, Why is it so important to you? Moderator cut: attacking.
Nearly half the posts in this thread have either had to be deleted, or needed a "mod cut."
The PERSONAL ATTACKS and INFIGHTING has to stop, otherwise, with the next post of either kind, infractions will ensue. It is very clearly stated in the TOS that you can go after ideas, but not attack other members.
This thread needs to get back on track, and the nastiness needs to stop.
Nearly half the posts in this thread have either had to be deleted, or needed a "mod cut."
The PERSONAL ATTACKS and INFIGHTING has to stop, otherwise, with the next post of either kind, infractions will ensue. It is very clearly stated in the TOS that you can go after ideas, but not attack other members.
This thread needs to get back on track, and the nastiness needs to stop.
So you claim that "Book of the Covenant" Moses wrote was the whole Torah rather than just the Laws of that Covenant and claim divine dictation of that whole section. Won't wash
The revelation is one specific recounting of a vision received by John. That John received a vision from God is true and that he wrote it down is also true, but that does not make the rest of the writers emanuenses.
But you don't want to answer the real question, Why is it so important to you? Seriously, that attitude is responsible for fracturing Christendom and there has GOT to be a good reason for that.
The Torah (or Law) is the first five books of what we call the Old Testament. But the entire Old Testament, whether the Law, the Prophets, or the Writings is all the Word of God as is the entire New Testament.
However, while the Torah or Law refers to the first five books of the Old Testament, at times other parts of the Hebrew Bible are referred to as 'the Law.' For instance...
1.) In John 10:34 Jesus tells His adversaries that part of Psalm 82 is 'written in your Law'. Yet the Psalms are a part of 'the Writings.'
2.) In 1 Corinthians 14:21 a quotation from Isaiah 28:11 is said to be written 'in the Law.' Yet Isaiah belongs to that section of the Hebrew Bible called 'The Prophets.'
3.) In Romans 3:10-19 a number of quotations from the Psalms and from Isaiah are included in 'whatever the Law says.'
As for the mode of transmission of the Scriptures, I did not say that the entire Bible was the result of dictation, although some of it is. I did not say that the entire Bible is direct quotation from God. Nevertheless, God the Holy Spirit so directed the human writers of Scripture that without changing their personality, vocabulary, literary style or any other factor, God's complete message to man was permanently recorded with perfect accuracy in the original autographs.
The real question is why is it so important to recognize that the Bible is the Word of God? One answer is because man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4). The Bible records everything which God wanted to communicate to man regarding salvation, regarding the doctrines which pertain to the church, regarding God's overall plan, regarding the future, etc...
The entire Bible is the Word of God whether you or others choose to recognize that fact or not.
So June, are you a Christian? Do you accept God's word? Do you read the bible? Talk to us and not at us.
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