AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible (Gospels, Epistles, messages, testimonies)

[makahiya]

While the entire line of scripture are records, the outstanding record of scripture on earth and the scripture of final authority is the published text and form of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible.

All KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the AV 1611 KJV first edition, reprinted a billion times and loved by Christians for over 400 years.

[Torpedos]

not sure if you are asking a question or just thinking out loud.

[chuckmann]

Originally Posted by makahiya

While the entire line of scripture are records, the outstanding record of scripture on earth and the scripture of final authority is the published text and form of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible.

All KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the AV 1611 KJV first edition, reprinted a billion times and loved by Christians for over 400 years.

Much to the detriment of the original message of Jesus!

KJV was a remarkable work, every bit as influential to the creation of the modern English language as was Shakespeare and Chaucer.

But there was a dark side too, which was the continuation of the basic doctrines of unending punishment and biblical inerrancy.

In some ways, KJV is the victim of the Septuagint, and problems with that translation from Hebrew. But even as a product of the Reformation, KJV perpetuated the terror that the medieval Roman and Eastern churches imposed on the people over whom the rule.

[whoppers]

Thank God our knowledge of Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek has progressed so that we no longer have to suffer the many errors made in the KJV. In all fairness, they were working with the tools at their disposal at the time. But in all fairness, as well - we have better tools, and better translations.

I DO enjoy the language in the KJV, though. Very beautiful.

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by whoppers

Thank God our knowledge of Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek has progressed so that we no longer have to suffer the many errors made in the KJV. In all fairness, they were working with the tools at their disposal at the time. But in all fairness, as well - we have better tools, and better translations.

I DO enjoy the language in the KJV, though. Very beautiful.

Also note that the English language has changed drastically in FOUR HUNDRED YEARS. Heck, it changes every year!

A good demonstration of this is the King's observation of Sir Christopher Wren's St. Paul's Cathedral in 1710: He proclaimed it amusing, awful, and artificial. At the time, amusing meant pleasing, awful meant awe-inspiriing and artificial meant artistic. Some of those word in the KJV don't necessarily mean what they meant in 1611!

But I do love the Psalms in the KJV. Since the Psalms are poetry, the old language sometimes adds to their beauty.

[ancient warrior]

Originally Posted by makahiya

While the entire line of scripture are records, the outstanding record of scripture on earth and the scripture of final authority is the published text and form of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible.

All KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the AV 1611 KJV first edition, reprinted a billion times and loved by Christians for over 400 years.

RESPONSE:
Don't you think that the Codex Sinaticas, c. 325 AD, which is available on line in translation, might be a bit more authentic then a bible written in 1611 AD?

[whoppers]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

Also note that the English language has changed drastically in FOUR HUNDRED YEARS. Heck, it changes every year!

A good demonstration of this is the King's observation of Sir Christopher Wren's St. Paul's Cathedral in 1710: He proclaimed it amusing, awful, and artificial. At the time, amusing meant pleasing, awful meant awe-inspiriing and artificial meant artistic. Some of those word in the KJV don't necessarily mean what they meant in 1611!

But I do love the Psalms in the KJV. Since the Psalms are poetry, the old language sometimes adds to their beauty.

Yes, indeed! One of the fascinating things about our language - heck, any language! Your example is a great one. One I would suggest is the word "Naughty" which had different connotations then (it was all for naught). Even the idea of naughty as a little bad is a further evolution of what naughty meant earlier.

Even at the time, the KJV was employing archaic English forms! An interesting study is on the social distinctions that words such as "thee", "thou", etc relate - and how the KJV entirely changed these. There is a famous line (can't remember who): "Don't thee "thou" me!" Ha ha - old English grammar humor.

[makahiya]

The truest scientific explanation ofSola Scriptura Theology is the record theory. The Record Theory independently answers the questions of final canonization (books and words) and final authority. The dynamic evidence of the Purified Text Theory supports the record theory. KJV 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. While the entire line of scripture are records, the outstanding record of scripture on earth and the scripture of final authority is the published text and form of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible. All KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the AV 1611 KJV first edition, reprinted billions of times and loved by Christians for over 400 years.

The words of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible are divinely transmitted, (infallible, infinite, eternal) inspired, preserved, canonized and purified. KJV Psalms 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.The evidence is exhaustive, categorical and conclusively demonstrates the manuscript evidence, bible canonization, billions of KJV Holy Bibles, bible doctrine, computational linguistics, the testimonies of millions of Bible martyrs and the entire development of higher education at Paris, Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, Princeton.

Sola Scriptura historical pre-millennial hermeneutics and Sola Ecclesia allegorical sitzinleben a-millennial hermeneutics are contrasted. The redaction theory, accommodation theory, higher criticism, j.e.d.p. documentary hypothesis, N.T. literary form criticism, two sources q-documentary theory, and liable theory are contrasted with the record theory and the purified text theory.

When Webster collated the English language, 1828, his dictionary matched the KJV Bibles exactly. The earlier bibles, Wycliffe Bible 1362, Tyndale Bible 1522, Coverdale Bible 1535, Great Bible 1539, Geneva Bible 1560, Bishops Bible 1568, were not completed English. All KJV Bibles are editions of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible first edition. Language is word definition. KJV 2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

The Record Theory suggests that the Holy Bible in heaven is identical to the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible on earth. The human finger prints (typographical errors, spelling errors, missing words, etc.) document divine testaments and covenants between God and man. Exo 20:24, Deu 30:19, Deu 31:28, 1Ch 16:4, Ezr 6:2, Job 16:19, Isa 8:2, Joh 1:19, Joh 1:32, Joh 1:34, Joh 8:13, Joh 8:14, Joh 12:17, Joh 19:35, Act 20:26, Rom 10:2, 2Co 1:23, 2Co 8:3, Gal 4:15, Php 1:8, Col 4:13, 1Jn 5:7, 1Jn 5:10, 1Jn 5:11, 3Jn 1:12, Rev 1:2

Text Perfection Hypothesis would suggest that the Holy Bibles in heaven are not identical to the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bibles on earth. The Bibles in heaven are 100% without typographical errors. As silver is not 100% pure, the words of the Lord on earth are as pure as silver purified seven times.

Purified Text Theory Matthew 24:35, John 17:17, 2 Timothy 3:16, Psalms 40:7, Hebrews 10:7, Colossians 1:13, Hebrews 11:5
Psalms 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
1. O.T. Hebrew Original Autographs 1500 B.C. - 389 B.C. - 39 Books
2. O.T. Aramaic Original Autographs 607 B.C. - Daniel 2:4 - 7:28
3. N.T. Koine Greek Original Autographs 40 A.D. - 90 A.D. - 27 Books
4. Old Syrian Texts 100 A.D. - 200 A.D. - 66 Books
5. Old Latin Texts 100 A.D. - 200 A.D. - 66 Books
6. Reformation German Texts 1500 A.D. - 1560 A.D. - 66 Books
7. Reformation English Texts 1382 A.D. - 1611 A.D. - 66 Books

[makahiya]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

RESPONSE:
Don't you think that the Codex Sinaticas, c. 325 AD, which is available on line in translation, might be a bit more authentic then a bible written in 1611 AD?

There are two types of bibles, Holy Bibles and Corrupt Bibles.

There are two lines of manuscripts, Holy Syrian Manuscripts and

Corrupt Alexandrian Manuscripts.

KJV 2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

150-------------Tatian's Diatesseron 200-------------Clement's Manuscripts 225-------------Origen's Hexapla 331-------------Codex Vaticanus 331-------------Codex Sinaiticus 400-------------Jerome's Latin Vulgate 450-------------Codex Alexandrinus 450-------------Codex Ephraemi 1582-----------Douay-Rheims New Testament 1610-----------Douay-Rheims Complete Bible 1657-----------Brian Walton's Polyglot 1707-----------John Mill's Edition 1774-----------Griesbach's Greek New Testament 1842-----------Carl Lachmann's New Testament 1856-----------A Translation of the Gospels 1857-----------Tregelle's New Testament 1859-----------Tischendorf's 7th Edition New Testament 1861-----------The New Testament: Translated from the Original Greek 1862-----------The Life and Epistles of St. Paul 1864-----------The Emphatic Diaglott 1869-----------Alford's New Testament 1872-----------Tischendorf's New Testament 1873-----------The New Testament 1875-----------The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 1881-----------The Revised Version 1888-----------The New Covenant 1890-----------The Holy Scriptures 1900-----------Epistles of the New Testament 1901-----------The American Standard Version 1901-----------Modern American Bible 1901-----------Moffatt's Historical New Testament 1901-----------Way's Epistles 1901-----------Young People's Bible 1902-----------The Emphasized Bible 1902-----------Godby's New Testament 1902-----------Twentieth Century New Testament 1903-----------The Fenton's Bible 1903-----------Weymouth's Translation of the New Testament 1904-----------Worrell's New Testament 1905-----------LLoyd's New Testament 1906-----------Forrester Translation 1907-----------Bourne's Gospel 1907-----------Moulton's Modern Reader's Bible [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]1908-----------Rutherford's Epistles 1909-----------Bible in Modern English 1909-----------Weaver's New Testament 1910-----------The Cunards Version 1912-----------The Improved Bible Union Version 1914-----------The Numeric New Testament 1914-----------Cunnington's New Testament 1916-----------The McFayden Psalms in Modern Speech 1917-----------Jewish Publication Society Bible 1918-----------Anderson New Testament 1919-----------The Messages of the Bible 1921-----------The Shorter Bible 1921-----------A Plain Translation of the New Testament 1922-----------The Plainer Bible 1923-----------The Riverside New Testament 1923-----------The Robertson Translation 1924-----------The Labor Determinative Version 1924-----------Centenary Translation of the New Testament 1924-----------The Moffatt Bible 1925-----------People's New Covenant 1925-----------Children's Bible 1927-----------Kent's Student Old Testament 1927-----------Smith's and Goodspeed's Translation 1928-----------The Christian's Bible 1928-----------Good News according to Matthew 1929-----------The Galwyn's Psalms 1930-----------The Loux Mark Edition 1931-----------The Wales Psalms 1932-----------The Chaplain Ballenteen Edition 1932-----------The Kleists Memoirs of St. Peter 1933-----------Torrey's Four Gospels 1934-----------Royd's Epistles and Gospels 1934-----------The Old Testament in Colloquial English 1934-----------The Wade Translation 1935-----------The Westminster Version 1937-----------The Cornish Translation of St. Paul 1937-----------Greber's New Testament 1937-----------Martin's New Testament 1937-----------21 Canonical Epistles 1937-----------Spencer's New Testament 1937-----------Williams New Testament 1938-----------The Book of Books 1938-----------Buttonweiser's Psalms 1938-----------Clementson's New Testament 1939-----------The Osterley Psalms 1940-----------Dakes's Gospels 1941-----------St. Mark in Current English 1944-----------The Gallin Psalms 1946-----------Linsky's Interpretation [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]1946-----------The Revised Standard Version of the NCC 1947-----------Eerdman's Psalms 1947-----------Swann's New Testament 1948-----------The Letchworth New Testament 1949-----------The Basic Bible 1949-----------The Lesley Psalms 1951-----------The Authentic Version 1951-----------Vernon's Mark Version 1951-----------The Sacred Writings of the Apostles and Evangelists 1952-----------The Revised Standard Version update 1952-----------The New Testament in Plain English 1952-----------The Penguin Bible 1952-----------The Four Gospels 1954-----------The Cassain's Psalms 1954-----------St. Paul's Shorter Letters 1954-----------The Moore's New Testament 1954-----------The Amplified Gospel of John 1955-----------The Knox Translation 1956-----------The Inspired Letters in Clearest English 1957-----------The Concordant Version 1957-----------The Lamsa Translation 1958-----------The Amplified New Testament 1958-----------The Hudson Translation 1958-----------The Meisner's Gospels 1958-----------Phillips New Testament 1959-----------The Cresmond New Testament 1959-----------The Modern Language Bible 1960-----------Reina-Valera Revision 1960-----------The New American Standard Version 1960-----------The Children's King James 1961-----------The New English Bible 1961-----------The New World Translation 1961-----------Noli's Greek orthodox New Testament 1961-----------One Way Bible 1961-----------Simplified New Testament 1961-----------Wuest Expanded New Testament 1962-----------The Children's Version 1962-----------The New Jewish Version 1962-----------Four Gospels and the Revelation 1963-----------Beck's New Testament 1963-----------Holy Name Bible 1963-----------The New Testament: A New Translation in Plain English 1964-----------The Anchor Bible 1964-----------The Hadas Psalms 1965-----------Bruce's Expanded Paraphrase 1965-----------The Complete Amplified Bible 1966-----------Today's English Version 1966-----------Jerusalem Bible 1966-----------The Bible in Simplified English [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]1966-----------The Burke Translation 1966-----------The Living Scriptures 1967-----------Dale's New World Bible 1967-----------The Liverpool Vernacular Gospels 1968-----------The Cotton Patch Version 1968-----------Hansen's Psalms in Modern Speech 1968-----------Restoration of Original Name New Testament 1969-----------Barclay's New Testament 1969-----------The Children's New Testament 1969-----------The New Life Testament 1970-----------King James II New Testament 1970-----------New English Bible 1970-----------New American Bible 1971-----------Blackwell Exegetical Translation 1971-----------The Living Bible 1972-----------J. B. Phillips Translation 1972-----------The Bible in Living English 1972-----------The Alba House New Testament 1972-----------Today's English New Testament 1973-----------New International Version 1973-----------The Common Bible 1973-----------The Translator's New Testament 1973-----------The Better Version of the New Testament 1976-----------New Life Testament 1976-----------The Heart of Paul: A Relational Paraphrase of the N.T. 1979-----------New King James Version 1979-----------English Messianic Jewish Version 1980-----------The Four Gospels: An Exegetical Translation 1981-----------The Simple English New Testament 1982-----------The Basic Bible 1985-----------New Jerusalem Bible 1988-----------The Everyday Bible: New Century Version 1989-----------The New Revised Standard Version 1993-----------The Message - Eugene Peterson 1995 ---------- New American Standard Version Update 1996-----------New Living Translation 1996-----------Bible in Worldwide English 2001-----------English Standard Version 2002-----------Today's New International Version 2003-----------Holman Christian Standard Bible 2003----------- New Century Version 2004-----------Good As New Version

[makahiya]

Acts 11: 26 . . . the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

O.T. Original Autographs 1500 B.C. - 389 O.T. Hebrew Manuscripts 1500 - 300 N.T. Original Autographs 40 A.D. - 90 N.T. Greek Manuscripts 100 - 200 N.T. Syrian Manuscripts 100 - 200 N.T. Latin Manuscripts 100 - 200 N.T. Receptus Greek Uncial Manuscripts 200 - 900 N.T. Receptus Greek Cursive Manuscripts 800 - 1500 Gothic Bible of Ulfilas 310 Latin Bibles of the Waldensian 1100 Latin Bibles of the Albigenes 1300 Wycliffe Bible 1362 Latin Bibles of the Lollards 1382 Erasmus N.T. Greek Text 1516 Luther German Bible 1522 Colinaeus N.T. Greek Text 1534 Stephanus N.T. Greek Text 1546 Tyndale Bible 1522 Coverdale Bible 1535 Great Bible 1539 Geneva Bible 1560 Bishops Bible 1568 Beza N.T. Greek Text 1598 Nuremberg Polyglot Bible 1599 Authorized King James Bible 1611

The central critical fact remains that while the entire line of scripture are records, the outstanding record of scripture on earth and the scripture of final authority is the published text and form of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible.

KJV Holy Bibles are editions of the AV 1611 KJV first edition, reprinted a billion times and loved by Christians for over 400 years.