Austrian Priest Has No One Come To Communion (hell, church, believe)
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Grace is not a state of being anyway, grace is a gift, not an umbrella.
Lack of a common vocabulary is one of the biggest things preventing religions from ever actually understanding one another. Your use of the term grace may differ from that of the OP. Using the word grace differently than you are accustomed doesn't make them wrong. Just using the same word to mean something different.
Lack of a common vocabulary is one of the biggest things preventing religions from ever actually understanding one another. Your use of the term grace may differ from that of the OP. Using the word grace differently than you are accustomed doesn't make them wrong. Just using the same word to mean something different.
While words can be used in different contexts, they each have a predetermined meaning, a definition which applies to them,
And one can not deviate from that definition other wise our language would be engulfed in chaos.
Lack of a common vocabulary is one of the biggest things preventing religions from ever actually understanding one another. Your use of the term grace may differ from that of the OP. Using the word grace differently than you are accustomed doesn't make them wrong. Just using the same word to mean something different.
The Catholic teaching is that a "state of grace" means that you do not have any unconfessed sins on your conscience. That means that if you were to drop dead on the way to the front of the church to get communion you'd go straight to heaven--no stops in purgatory, even. If you have a minor sin, or a "venial" sin, you would spend time in purgatory and be cleansed. A "mortal" sin means you go straight to hell...no chance of heaven.
The problem, of course, is that being a sinner is less about doing an individual sin and is more about who you are. A sinner sins because he's a sinner....you are not a sinner because you sin. Just like my dog barks because he's a dog. Him barking doesn't make him a dog.
If we're honest, there isn't a one of us that can make it through a 45 minute mass WITHOUT thinking at least one sinful thought. So even if we take confession immediately before mass...we're still not going to be in a state of grace.
Everyone should have come forward. Jesus did not die for the good enough. He died for the ungodly which is all of us. The word grace means "unearned, undeserved favor" therefore we all qualify. People think it pleases God when they go about this "state of grace" nonsense when actually God is displeased at how they keep disqualifying the people from His grace.
Anyone who was not in mortal sin could go to communion. If in mortal sin they need to confess first. I can't believe no one was without mortal sin there. I think it is poor teaching involved. If those people were cheating or their spouses or worse than I would wonder what kind of society they had there.
For those who don't know him Father Z, as he and his parishioners call him has a website and blog. Father Z, real name Father John Zuhlsdorf, weighed in on the matter. In his post entitled, Priest, predictably, criticized for telling people not to receive Communion if they are not in the state of grace. Fishwrap exalts. Fishwrap is Father Z's moniker for the National Catholic Reporter. Father Z makes points most Catholics don't want to hear. I'm not going to copy and paste his words. Read them for yourselves.
For the whole church were get to the tolerances of Communion , then the leaders should have had a corporate Repentance for everyone who attends and all the legalism from the clergy for the rejection of any one they can not forgive for sins of the attendant of the church or people who are not allowed to take communion .................. See the way I view this is that if no one came forward than it could be a rebellion , or every one has an unworthy to take communion or people are taught to hate the grace of God by religious error , then many in the clergy do not allow some people to take communion because they sinned in the eyes of the church and will be condemned , like remarriage or abortions , or the like ..... So Repentance with faith in Jesus , and His Word wipes the sin away , and it will never be remember again in Heaven .........
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