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Old 02-27-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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The cross was the Father's will.

1 John 4

10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

See also John chapters 10 and 15 and Luke 22 and Isaiah 53.
Correct as it wasn't Jesus will as even he asked God if it could pass by him, but let God's will be done not his.
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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Who then were in the book of life, whose names God threatened to erase, hmmm?
I'm sure Abraham is in the book of life due to believing God per Romans 4. But that does not mean Abraham was intrinsically righteous. He still had death operating in him and due to that, he sinned (Romans 5:12).
David also will be in the book.

I believe that all in the book of life are there only by the grace of God. It is He who made the vessels of mercy and vessels of indignation before they were did anything good or bad in life as written about in Romans 9.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:33 PM
 
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I'm sure Abraham is in the book of life due to believing God per Romans 4. But that does not mean Abraham was intrinsically righteous. He still had death operating in him and due to that, he sinned (Romans 5:12).
David also will be in the book.

I believe that all in the book of life are there only by the grace of God. It is He who made the vessels of mercy and vessels of indignation before they were did anything good or bad in life as written about in Romans 9.
If none are righteous, why did God always look for righteousness?

"For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah His pleasant planting [the plant of His delight]. And He looked for justice, but behold, [He saw] oppression and bloodshed; [He looked] for righteousness (for uprightness and right standing with God), but behold, [He heard] a cry [of oppression and distress]!" Isaiah 5:7 (AMP)

"For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry." Isaiah 5:7 (KJV)

Think about it. This NOT about a righteousness that could redeem man; forgive the transgression of Adam __only Jesus could and did satisfy that issue. But it does confirm that man was NOT EVER depraved beyond his ability to cry out to God and to receive His help. Read the Psalms 3,18, 22 to see that.
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