When was the original sin made up? (celibacy, woman, Moses)

[John_Doe11]

Where does it say about the original sin, and when was it made up? Thanks

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by John_Doe11

Where does it say about the original sin, and when was it made up? Thanks

There was a point when there was no sin.

KJV Genesis 1: 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The first identified "sin" in relation to man came after Eve's creation.

That led to:

(KJV) Genesis 3:3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Here Eve knew what God required and knew what the consequences were)


4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (This is the first lie which would be a sin.)



5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (2nd lie)

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


Two sins with Adam's being the one that mattered as he was not deceived by Satan.


Sin, which always leads to bad entered into the world of man.



7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.


They felt shame. No cause for it before, but now the felt that way. Then.



8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.


Now they felt fear a consequence of sin.




16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


Then they began to feel the consequences.


Typically one sin leads to another, etc. Especially when no repentance is shown.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by John_Doe11

Where does it say about the original sin, and when was it made up? Thanks

Original sin is not something that was 'made up'. It refers to Adam's original sin which resulted in the fall of the human race. Original sin is mentioned by Paul in Romans 5:12-19. Genesis chapter 3 records the fall of man.

[augiedogie]

It's not made up. Its clearly documented in Old and New Testaments.

Ps 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Eph 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Eph 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by augiedogie

It's not made up. Its clearly documented in Old and New Testaments.

Ps 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Eph 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Eph 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

And Jesus said ..."Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." John 3:6

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by John_Doe11

Where does it say about the original sin, and when was it made up? Thanks

Original sin was made up when priests and other self-designated "holy men" needed a concept to keep the rabble in line. It was a brilliant idea - convince people they were born corrupted.

And of course, the "cure" for that corruption was obedience (and tithing!) to the "holy men."

Obviously, some people (see above) still subscribe to this absurd notion.

[Jerwade]

"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, ..."

Sin entered the world, it was not passed down.

[asdas]

augiedogie, or someone else: Original sin isn't that your mother who has given birth to you has sinned when she conceived you, and passed that sin on to you? Isn't Original sin the sin that was given to mankind after Adam and Eve ate of the tree of wisdom?

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by asdas

augiedogie, or someone else: Original sin isn't that your mother who has given birth to you has sinned when she conceived you, and passed that sin on to you? Isn't Original sin the sin that was given to mankind after Adam and Eve ate of the tree of wisdom?

There are really only two ways to understand Psalm 51:5

1) how the Shakers understood it and thus eventually made themself virtually extinct through celibacy
.... that your mother who has given birth to you has sinned when she conceived you

2) original sin
..... "flesh gives birth to flesh" John 3:6

..... "The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.' Romans 8:7

..... "...we were by nature deserving of wrath." Ephesians 2:3

The rebellion of Adam and Eve had a two fold consequence of original sin
1) immediate spiritual death
2) the eventual physical death

Both are inescapable when conception occurs (Psalm 51:5)

[TwoWitnesses]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

Original sin was made up when priests and other self-designated "holy men" needed a concept to keep the rabble in line. It was a brilliant idea - convince people they were born corrupted.

And of course, the "cure" for that corruption was obedience (and tithing!) to the "holy men."

Obviously, some people (see above) still subscribe to this absurd notion.

Yes, this idea of "original sin" and the phenomenon and existence of MIND CONTROL both fascinate me...because they are of course, connected.

Regardless of whether original sin is really the correct concept, there has been an organized attempt to "fully corrupt" the mind of the common man to make it true, in any case, and ever-more true as the years go on. This may be the work of Satan. Or it could be something else that's part of a different paradigm. You get 2 choices: 1) be corrupted by the fallen world...or 2) fully give in to the Organized Religion System. But there's actually a 3rd choice that you're not told about, that many people fail to realize. You'd have to study the history of the House of Rothschild and what their special strategy has been throughout the ages to see what's actually going on. It's really very fascinating, but I can't say more than that.