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I believe it happened when they took writings that were inspired by God and declared it to be the infallible word of God and ruled over the hearts of men with it through and by as Nateswift perfectly described them........professional clergy( the scribe and pharisee mach 11). Then converted the world over to what they call the infallible word of God. If you tell a lie long enough the people will believe it.
True . . . but the interpretations of it by the 100% Bible believers IS a corruption using OT thinking about God and His motives.
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That's a general slam / judgment. Which part of the Gospel are you referring to?
You know the answer, Finn . . . I have been explaining it for years here on the forum. You do not agree because you believe in the descriptions of God under the veil of ignorance in the OT. The God Jesus revealed unambiguously is a God of love . . . not one of human beliefs about justice and vengeance. We are not to exercise vengeance . . . that is why it is to be left in God's loving hands. Using OT thinking . . . the interpretation of Christ's loving sacrifice on the cross has been corrupted into a savage blood sacrifice to appease an angry, vengeful God's barbaric sense of justice.
God IS love . . . and would NEVER require such a horrendous scourging and crucifixion to appease Him. NEVER! Christ voluntarily ENDURED on His body the "sins" (ignorance and cruelty) of our barbaric ancestors in "love of God and each other" . . . to reveal unambiguously to our savage ancestors the true nature of our God and His desire for mercy . . . NOT blood sacrifices. By His death and rebirth as Spirit (as we will be upon our deaths) . . . Jesus became the First Born to attain perfect resonance (Identity) with God's Holy Spirit connecting us all to God forever. His Holy Spirit is available to all human consciousness as the Comforter . . . to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
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You know the answer, Finn . . . I have been explaining it for years here on the forum. You do not agree because you believe in the descriptions of God under the veil of ignorance in the OT. The God Jesus revealed unambiguously is a God of love . . . not one of human beliefs about justice and vengeance. We are not to exercise vengeance . . . that is why it is to be left in God's loving hands. Using OT thinking . . . the interpretation of Christ's loving sacrifice on the cross has been corrupted into a savage blood sacrifice to appease an angry, vengeful God's barbaric sense of justice. God IS love . . . and would NEVER require such a horrendous scourging and crucifixion to appease Him. NEVER! Christ voluntarily ENDURED on His body the "sins" (ignorance and cruelty) of our barbaric ancestors in "love of God and each other" . . . to reveal unambiguously to our savage ancestors the true nature of our God and His desire for mercy . . . NOT blood sacrifices. By His death and rebirth as Spirit (as we will be upon our deaths) . . . Jesus became the First Born to attain perfect resonance (Identity) with God's Holy Spirit connecting us all to God forever. His Holy Spirit is available to all human consciousness as the Comforter . . . to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
You don't have to tell me what I believe. I know what I believe. You keep telling people what they believe, and it seems obvious you do it in an deliberate attempt to misrepresent their beliefs.
I don't recall anyone claiming God demanded crucifixion specifically, He just knew that was going to happen that way. I also do not anyone ever claiming Christ's sacrifice was done just to "appease" God.
You know the answer, Finn . . . I have been explaining it for years here on the forum. You do not agree because you believe in the descriptions of God under the veil of ignorance in the OT. The God Jesus revealed unambiguously is a God of love . . . not one of human beliefs about justice and vengeance. We are not to exercise vengeance . . . that is why it is to be left in God's loving hands. Using OT thinking . . . the interpretation of Christ's loving sacrifice on the cross has been corrupted into a savage blood sacrifice to appease an angry, vengeful God's barbaric sense of justice.
God IS love . . . and would NEVER require such a horrendous scourging and crucifixion to appease Him. NEVER! Christ voluntarily ENDURED on His body the "sins" (ignorance and cruelty) of our barbaric ancestors in "love of God and each other" . . . to reveal unambiguously to our savage ancestors the true nature of our God and His desire for mercy . . . NOT blood sacrifices. By His death and rebirth as Spirit (as we will be upon our deaths) . . . Jesus became the First Born to attain perfect resonance (Identity) with God's Holy Spirit connecting us all to God forever. His Holy Spirit is available to all human consciousness as the Comforter . . . to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
You don't have to tell me what I believe. I know what I believe. You keep telling people what they believe, and it seems obvious you do it in an deliberate attempt to misrepresent their beliefs.
I said nothing about your beliefs, Finn. I described the corruption of the Gospel you asked me about.
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I don't recall anyone claiming God demanded crucifixion specifically, He just knew that was going to happen that way. I also do not anyone ever claiming Christ's sacrifice was done just to "appease" God.
I have no idea if it reflects your views or not, Finn. But this flies in the face of the prevailing atonement views of Christ's crucifixion. The dominant idea of Christ's sacrifice is that it was a payment or a ransom or a penal substitution for our sins. In reality . . . the true significance of it is that it was an unavoidable outcome of His message of God's love during that barbarous era . . . BECAUSE of our ancestors' savagery (sins) and ignorance about God.
I'm not persuaded that anything has happened to 'true Christianity?' However, there is a great tendency to confuse 'the church' (Religion), with 'the Church' (Christianity; Body of Christ on Earth).
The church (Religion) has largely lost it's moral influence and authority, because it has submitted to the world's moral standards and influence. The Church (Body of Christ on Earth) is still a powerful, effective force that will reign-on with Christ, throughout eternity.
What we are experiencing in the church (religion) today (as in every generation) is the prophesied "great(er) falling away, starting with the first Century church and being completed in the End Times. (Like 'birth pains', the 'falling away' has gotten more pronounced every generation; today it is happening at a frantic pace). This is perhaps a precursor to the 'final separation of the wheat and the tares' (The real Church, from the world's church).
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