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Old 10-13-2014, 06:46 PM
 
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Re-read the post please.
What translation?...A translation of what?...
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Old 10-13-2014, 07:52 PM
 
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What translation?...A translation of what?...
their own translation
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Old 10-14-2014, 06:41 AM
 
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their own translation
It's called logic and reason...
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:43 PM
 
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It proves that HaShem condoned polygamy...
When did God say this?
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Old 10-17-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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When did God say this?
Where does he say that word for word? The same place it says he approved of Laptop computers and internet forums...No where. But based on what has already been mentioned about God giving David many wives and would have given him more and about Levirate Marriage, not only did he not loose any sleep over it, but he virtually commanded it in certain situations and gave wives as gifts. I guess you could call it deductive reasoning... Oh yeah, that's right. You're done with me
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Old 10-18-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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Where does he say that word for word? The same place it says he approved of Laptop computers and internet forums...No where. But based on what has already been mentioned about God giving David many wives and would have given him more and about Levirate Marriage, not only did he not loose any sleep over it, but he virtually commanded it in certain situations and gave wives as gifts. I guess you could call it deductive reasoning... Oh yeah, that's right. You're done with me
You are just rambling. You haven't proved anything. I asked you where does it say that, it's either you have that proof or you don't.
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:01 AM
 
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What verse states that?

What does this prove?
Sometimes, people are indeed honest enough to admit that the Bible really does not prohibit polygamy (polygyny). However, as a hedge against that admission, such ones may then resort to saying one of the following assertions:

"Yes, but God never condoned polygamy."
"Yes, God allowed it, but He was against polygamy."
"Polygamy was only man's idea, not God's".
"Yes, but God never approved of polygamy."
The passage involving 2 Samuel 12:8 rather clearly reveals otherwise.

"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.

The context of the verse is that of God, speaking through a prophet (Nathan), calling out David for David's sin of taking another man's wife (Bathsheba, wife of Uriah the Hittite), which is adultery indeed, and for setting up the death of Uriah the Hittite to try to hide David's sin.

Also, at the point in time of this situation, David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1_Samuel 18:27, 25:42-43, 2_Samuel 3:2-5.)

But, in this verse 12 (above), God was not condemning David for all his wives! In fact, this verse 12 shows God Himself actually saying that HE was the One Who had GIVEN David His wives.

If God was against David's polygamy, He certainly would not have said that He had GIVEN David his wives.

But the LORD did not stop there. That verse 12 shows that the Lord took it even one step further than that! The LORD God even went on further to say that if David had wanted more wives, the Lord Himself said that He would have given David even more!

It was only because David had sinned, in committing adultery by taking another man's wife, and then causing that man's death to try to hide David's sin, that the Lord was calling him out through the prophet Nathan. There was no sin in the polygamy at all.

This is later confirmed that this was the only matter by 1 Kings 15:5, which says the following:

"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. "
1 Kings 15:5.

Two verses before that, in 1 Kings 15:3, the Bible says that David's heart was perfect with the LORD God.

Very clearly, therefore, what all this shows is that God is the One Who gives wives, even when more than one wife.

This is, of course, confirmed by 1_Corinthians 7:17.

"But as God hath distributed to every man,
as the Lord hath called every one,
so let him walk.
And so ordain I in all churches."
1 Corinthians 7:17.

Be it
NO wife,
ONE wife, or
MORE THAN ONE wife,
it is only has God calls and gives.

As such, it is clear that the Bible does, in fact, explicitly show

"Yes, God did condone polygamy."
"Yes, God allowed it, and He was not against polygamy."
"Polygamy is not a man's idea, but God's".
"Yes, God did approve of polygamy."
In 2 Samuel 12:8, He Himself said so!

God said He GAVE Wives -- Exegesis - Biblical Polygamy . com </script>
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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When did God say this?
II Samuel 12:

8 and I gave thee the house of thy lord, and the wives of thy lord into thy bosom, and I gave to thee the house of Israel and Juda; and if that had been little, I would have given thee yet more.

Does thou now call G-d a sinner???...
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Old 10-19-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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II Samuel 12:

8 and I gave thee the house of thy lord, and the wives of thy lord into thy bosom, and I gave to thee the house of Israel and Juda; and if that had been little, I would have given thee yet more.

Does thou now call G-d a sinner???...
This has already been addressed several times already, that verse does not mean he gave them to be his wives. He gave them into his possession not necessarily to be his wives. There is nothing in that verse that indicates he is giving them to be his wives. If anything, it shows that he just took over what Saul previously possessed.

With that said, even before we go further with this point, no one has addressed the point that I brought up with how everyone in the Bible who participated in polygamy brought curses upon their families and their offspring.
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:05 PM
 
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The online Tower of Bible Babble continues.

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