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Old 12-06-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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No, the point is that that is not the word used in Greek in the original documents...Why would Paul say that when he was addressing, as you claim, Gentiles?...The Judaisers were in Galatia not Rome...
There were plenty of Jews in Rome at that time. Any of them who were Jesus followers - and you seem to think that there were - might very well want to insist that Gentiles who wanted to follow Jesus become circumcised Jews first. Paul had not been there yet and did not know what was happening. And you still have not explained why Romans is addressed explicitly to Gentiles and begins with a long passage obviously addressed to Gentiles but Paul would suddenly decide he was talking to Jews, greeting them with 'Behold you are a Jew' unless it was a hypothetical providing counter-arguments against possible Judaizers.

And I doubt that you ever will.
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Old 12-06-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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Peter got the Gentiles (Hence the RCC belief that Peter was the First Pope of Rome, a Gentile Church)...Paul was simply an Evangelist...As was Barnabas...Read 1 Peter and 2 Peter, those letters are directed at Gentiles not Jews...
Yes, Peter was one of the 12 Apostles and preached to both Jew and Gentile, though his primary assignmenmt was to Jews.

No evidence concurrent with his life exists that he was in Rome, so .... a claim with no real support and a lot of evidence suggesting he was not (but that is another discussion).

Paul was an Evangelist, but also called an "apostle" as was Barnabas. Neither were of the 12 Apostles, but were sent out on special missions.

Uniquely Acts 15 is a strong argument against Peter having successors as the word for Bishop is different than Apostle and is interchangeable with presbyteros. Such were considered of a different status than an Apostles. The Apostles (the 12) are not called episkopy or presbytero. A successor to an Apostle would be an Apostle NOT an episkopy or presbytero. There are no successors of the Apostles ever mentioned in scripture beyond the replacement for Judas, and it was not by a vote at all.
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Old 12-06-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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The kingdom is here now. It is the church. It was established on the day of Pentecost, AFTER Jesus gave us the model prayer.

There are followers of Gods kingdom on earth, but not until after Harmageddon and the lake of fire events( Rev 21;2,3)--- Gods kingdom rule will be ruling all of creation forever--no interference again.
Only those who live to do Gods will--will be allowed into his kingdom. Matt 7:21
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:30 PM
 
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I believe the resurrection will begin when Jesus makes His 2nd coming to the earth.
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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Yes, Peter was one of the 12 Apostles and preached to both Jew and Gentile, though his primary assignmenmt was to Jews.
Where is the proof of this "Primary Assignment"?...

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Paul was an Evangelist, but also called an "apostle" as was Barnabas. Neither were of the 12 Apostles, but were sent out on special missions.
Where does it state that Saul was an Apostle, and for that matter, Barnabas?...

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Uniquely Acts 15 is a strong argument against Peter having successors as the word for Bishop is different than Apostle and is interchangeable with presbyteros. Such were considered of a different status than an Apostles. The Apostles (the 12) are not called episkopy or presbytero. A successor to an Apostle would be an Apostle NOT an episkopy or presbytero. There are no successors of the Apostles ever mentioned in scripture beyond the replacement for Judas, and it was not by a vote at all.
I agree with your logic here...
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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There were plenty of Jews in Rome at that time. Any of them who were Jesus followers - and you seem to think that there were - might very well want to insist that Gentiles who wanted to follow Jesus become circumcised Jews first. Paul had not been there yet and did not know what was happening. And you still have not explained why Romans is addressed explicitly to Gentiles and begins with a long passage obviously addressed to Gentiles but Paul would suddenly decide he was talking to Jews, greeting them with 'Behold you are a Jew' unless it was a hypothetical providing counter-arguments against possible Judaizers.

And I doubt that you ever will.
Where does it show in the opening lines of Romans that imply that it was written to Gentiles?...
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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I am going with the Bible Hub Interlinear Bible. The Greek there says "If". And I see you still have not addressed any of my other arguments that make it clear that Romans is addressed, both explicitly and implicitly, to Gentiles or my argument about why Paul would talk about the Law. Nor does it seem that you ever will.
The interlinear that you are relying on is a Greek with VARIANTS...The original document does not contain the word ei, but the word ithe...So, it is wrong...
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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I believe the resurrection will begin when Jesus makes His 2nd coming to the earth.
We are told that the dead IN CHRIST will rise first. Then those christians who are alive will meet Jesus in the air. Then Jesus takes His bride, the church to heaven, where they will live forever, and presents her to the Father. Following that comes judgement for all, the living and the dead.. The earth and its elements will be burned up. There will be no second chances for anyone.
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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We are told that the dead IN CHRIST will rise first. Then those christians who are alive will meet Jesus in the air. Then Jesus takes His bride, the church to heaven, where they will live forever, and presents her to the Father. Following that comes judgement for all, the living and the dead.. The earth and its elements will be burned up. There will be no second chances for anyone.
Could you give some Scripture references, please?...
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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There are followers of Gods kingdom on earth, but not until after Harmageddon and the lake of fire events( Rev 21;2,3)--- Gods kingdom rule will be ruling all of creation forever--no interference again.
Only those who live to do Gods will--will be allowed into his kingdom. Matt 7:21
There are literally hundreds of interpretations for Revelation. Show me on verse from the rest of the NT that says there will be a future kingdom on earth where Christ will reign a thousand years.
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