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Point out where it specifically addresses Gentiles...I just read through 1 and 2, he is talking to Jews, not Gentiles...
Romans 1
5 Through him [Jesus] we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake. 6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
If it is addressed to Jews, why should Paul mention his apostleship to call all the Gentiles? Why mention Gentiles at all? Why say that his audience is also among all those Gentiles? Why mention obedience that comes from faith? Paul often talks about faith as the means by which Gentiles who do not have Jewish Law are justified.
His audience is Gentiles who are among all those Gentiles that Paul calls to the obedience that comes from faith. Very straightforward.
Paul then launches into a passionate diatribe against idol worship and the evils that arise from that, notably including homosexual behavior. Why would he warn Jews against idol worship and homosexual behavior? Jews do not need to be told that. Those things are well known to be abominations. But there was a great deal of idol worship going on in Rome at that time, including the evils described. Paul is warning Gentiles, who converted from idol worship, not to backslide.
So why do you think Paul is not talking to Gentiles?
And also explain why all those verses into the letter Paul would suddenly say “Behold you are a Jew”? Why “Behold”? What is that supposed to mean other than a hypothetical? And why is “Jew” singular? Fits with a hypothetical but not as a declarative. And remember some people thought it meant ‘If’.
I have presented this material and asked these questions before and you still have not addressed them, except to act like that Monty Python skit. ‘No it isn’t.’
Point out where it specifically addresses Gentiles...I just read through 1 and 2, he is talking to Jews, not Gentiles...
The Israelites were cut off at that point. Matt 23:37,38-- this occurrence was shown to all at the precise moment of Jesus death--the banner rent in two signifying--God cut Israel off of being his chosen. Paul is speaking to the little flock(Luke 12:32)--these are the anointed-144,000-the bride of Christ. Rev 14:3--only these are bought from the earth. John speaks of them at Rev 1:6--Rev 20:4--these are in the first resurrection( little flock)
There is no where in the bible that says the great multitude go to heaven. It says they will enter Gods kingdom--- At that point, Gods kingdom is in full control( ruling power over all of creation) Jesus made this promise--Blessed are the meek( mild tempered) for they( great multitude) will inherit the EARTH. He didn't say it to no one--and since its clear--one flock--but the two groups--and its clear the little flock is promised heaven.
[quote=pcamps;37584429]Those who already know the privilege. How can they know unless someone tells them ?. I wish someone told me this in the early days rather than what a dirty rotten sinner i am in the eyes of God and deserving of hell fire because i am. Knowing what and who i am would have made all the differnce from that moment on in my journey.[/QUOTEI
I agree wholeheartedly. The "us" in scripture are those who "HEAR the Word of God and DO IT." [see Matt.7:26.]
Last edited by Robert M Prince; 12-15-2014 at 09:50 AM..
Based on whom the letter was addressed to it was the believers in Ephesus in this case. In the larger sense it would apply to all believers.
A word of caution: Many protestant ministers say that all believers are given the gift of the Holy Spirit, but in Acts 5:32, the Apostles said that God gives the gift of the Holy Ghost to THOSE WHO OBEY HIM. Many claim to believe in Jesus as the Savior, but have never committed themselves to Obey Him.
Jesus said in Matt. 7:[21][21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
If we desire to enter into eternal life, we must commit ourselves to doing the will of God.
A word of caution: Many protestant ministers say that all believers are given the gift of the Holy Spirit, but in Acts 5:32, the Apostles said that God gives the gift of the Holy Ghost to THOSE WHO OBEY HIM. Many claim to believe in Jesus as the Savior, but have never committed themselves to Obey Him.
Jesus said in Matt. 7:[21][21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
If we desire to enter into eternal life, we must commit ourselves to doing the will of God.
What makes one a "Protestant"?
I would also point out that you are quoting from a time before we Gentiles had received the Good News.
I would also point out that you are quoting from a time before we Gentiles had received the Good News.
I believe the message that God gives the Holy Ghost to those who OBEY HIM are timeless, and apply to us today.
Jesus said in John 14:15 If ye love Me, keep My commandments.
How can we excuse ourselves from obeying a direct commandment from the Savior?
I believe the message that God gives the Holy Ghost to those who OBEY HIM are timeless, and apply to us today.
Jesus said in John 14:15 If ye love Me, keep My commandments.
How can we excuse ourselves from obeying a direct commandment from the Savior?
kind of like the real Jesus and his counter--the antichrist--- if I show them to you --all will hate me.
Jesus= love, peace, unity-- return evil for evil to no one-- love your enemy-- feed your enemy if he is hungry--give him a drink if he is thirsty. Vengeance is--MINE-- said the LORD.
antichrist= hate, calamities, separation.-- return evil for evil-- fill your hearts with--HATE--for your enemy and when its firmly established, kill your enemy
All now can apply this to--9/11-- and see exactly which path their heart supported. Who did you obey?
I show you all this even though I will be hated for it to try to save you from this. coming soon.
rev 16-- with 3 inspired expressions, satan misleads--EVERY--kingdom( govt, armies, supporters)( that's means yours and mine) to stand in opposition to Gods king Jesus at Har-mageddon. First they will be mislead to rise against Gods chosen.
Those 3 expressions are designed just like--9/11 to a heart, but 3 times as powerful.
Where did your heart stand--if it was with Jesus at 9/11--you may be ok--if it was the otherside--most assuredly those 3 expressions will get you. and you lose. Who will you obey?
It sounds as though you are a Conscientious Objector to war. I was a Conscientious Objector when i was registered for the draft many years ago. I felt and still do, at 83 years of age, that I could not kill a fellow man, during a war not under the command of God. Jesus told us to love our enemies and pray for them. I believe that God was not pleased that brothers were on opposite sides during the Civil War and felt they had to kill their brothers or their brother's friends during that war.
It sounds as though you are a Conscientious Objector to war. I was a Conscientious Objector when i was registered for the draft many years ago. I felt and still do, at 83 years of age, that I could not kill a fellow man, during a war not under the command of God. Jesus told us to love our enemies and pray for them. I believe that God was not pleased that brothers were on opposite sides during the Civil War and felt they had to kill their brothers or their brother's friends during that war.
You are right---I know 100% for sure--Jesus-- would never allow Christian brothers to stand on both of a war and kill each other over--politics. And the 2 paths I have shown are correct-- each needs to peer into their hearts reality and see where they stood and stand--and see exactly which path they walk or are being lead. Because they will continue down that path at the events of Rev 16.
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