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There is salvation from harmful teaching, from harmful lifestyles and to eonian life.
The correct verse is "Now is a day of salvation."
Yes, now is a day of salvation, but that salvation is not effective unless it is applied. If we are neglecting it, we are not living in that salvation.
Yes, now is a day of salvation, but that salvation is not effective unless it is applied. If we are neglecting it, we are not living in that salvation.
Salvation from what?
I thought salvation was more of a biblical literalist doctrine.
Yes, now is a day of salvation, but that salvation is not effective unless it is applied. If we are neglecting it, we are not living in that salvation.
It all depends upon whether Paul meant by "Now is a day of salvation" to mean "salvation to future eonian life" or "salvation from the current harmful things of life."
That type of salvation, Paul wrote to Timothy about, is not effective unless Timothy does what Paul told him to do.
1Ti_4:16 Attend to yourself and to the teaching.
Be persisting in them, for in doing this you will save yourself
as well as those hearing you."
You are correct, Robert. Love cannot be forced! It is a purely voluntary state of mind. There can be no fear or coercion of any kind involved, period.
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Originally Posted by Robert M Prince
We do not agree on all doctrinal issues, but we agree on this one. If God forces us to obey Him, according to Hank Hannegraff radio broadcast, we are like robots, and God does not want a love that is not voluntarily given. But the universal saving of all people is totally mistaken, since so many people love darkness rather than light.
You are saying that what we do or do not do determines whether or not we are saved and God loves us. That is just wrong. Nothing we do affects our salvation. That was Christ's job and it is finished. Since it was Christ who saved us . . . it has to apply to everyone . . . or we would be responsible for saving ourselves. It is our sanctification that is conditional on our attaining harmony under Christ's love for us all.
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Absolutely we are saved by God through our Lord Jesus Christ; and absolutely we must "repent" and "receive" His proffered salvation. No one saves themselves; but we must do as Jesus called us to do: "Follow Me."
Theology wants to argue what is simply stated in the Scriptures.
It is not contradictory to say that we are saved by grace through faith unto good works (Eph 2:8-10).
Again and again, it is taught by Jesus and His apostles that salvation's proof -- the fact that one has truly been born again, forgiven of sins, made a "new creature" in Christ (2 Cor 5:17) -- is that their faith bears good works.
Baptism is an example. "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..." (Acts 2:38). Not "you can be baptized if you'd like to be...just get saved, anyway!!" Not "baptism is of secondary importance. Let's focus on the 'essentials.'" (Etc.) Baptism was taught by example as well as command (Jesus' own baptism; Having His disciples baptize those following Christ; every new Christian in the book of Acts was immediately baptized, etc.). This is the beginning of 'good works' -- following Christ's commands.
But it goes on from there: the fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22-23 speaks of character traits and attitudes that show a life redeemed. They are fruit/proof of the work of the Spirit of God in the heart of the believer.
Caring for the widows and orphans (ie: the needy) are proof of a 'real' authentic Christian (James 1:27)
Feeding the poor, clothing the naked, etc. are works that please Christ and demonstrate people truly are His own (Matt 25:31-46; 1 John 3:16-18).
I could go on and on, but these are a fair example of the fact that genuine faith shows genuine repentance, which shows a genuine new life, which bears genuine fruit.
Anything less is a sham...and will not hold up before the Judge of all the earth.
" Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." (Titus 3:1,2,5-8)
Absolutely we are saved by God through our Lord Jesus Christ; and absolutely we must "repent" and "receive" His proffered salvation. No one saves themselves; but we must do as Jesus called us to do: "Follow Me."
Theology wants to argue what is simply stated in the Scriptures.
It is not contradictory to say that we are saved by grace through faith unto good works (Eph 2:8-10).
Again and again, it is taught by Jesus and His apostles that salvation's proof -- the fact that one has truly been born again, forgiven of sins, made a "new creature" in Christ (2 Cor 5:17) -- is that their faith bears good works.
Baptism is an example. "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..." (Acts 2:38). Not "you can be baptized if you'd like to be...just get saved, anyway!!" Not "baptism is of secondary importance. Let's focus on the 'essentials.'" (Etc.) Baptism was taught by example as well as command (Jesus' own baptism; Having His disciples baptize those following Christ; every new Christian in the book of Acts was immediately baptized, etc.). This is the beginning of 'good works' -- following Christ's commands.
But it goes on from there: the fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22-23 speaks of character traits and attitudes that show a life redeemed. They are fruit/proof of the work of the Spirit of God in the heart of the believer.
Caring for the widows and orphans (ie: the needy) are proof of a 'real' authentic Christian (James 1:27)
Feeding the poor, clothing the naked, etc. are works that please Christ and demonstrate people truly are His own (Matt 25:31-46; 1 John 3:16-18).
I could go on and on, but these are a fair example of the fact that genuine faith shows genuine repentance, which shows a genuine new life, which bears genuine fruit.
Anything less is a sham...and will not hold up before the Judge of all the earth.
" Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." (Titus 3:1,2,5-8)
An excellent post.
An excellent post. I believe that we must have a mind that truly desires DOING the will of God to be our highest priority in this life. The Apostles in Acts 5:32 said that God gives the Holy Ghost to THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.
Our Savior said that those who do the will of God will enter into the kingdom of heaven when He said in Matt.7:[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heave
Absolutely we are saved by God through our Lord Jesus Christ; and absolutely we must "repent" and "receive" His proffered salvation. No one saves themselves; but we must do as Jesus called us to do: "Follow Me."
Theology wants to argue what is simply stated in the Scriptures.
It is not contradictory to say that we are saved by grace through faith unto good works (Eph 2:8-10).
Again and again, it is taught by Jesus and His apostles that salvation's proof -- the fact that one has truly been born again, forgiven of sins, made a "new creature" in Christ (2 Cor 5:17) -- is that their faith bears good works.
Baptism is an example. "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..." (Acts 2:38). Not "you can be baptized if you'd like to be...just get saved, anyway!!" Not "baptism is of secondary importance. Let's focus on the 'essentials.'" (Etc.) Baptism was taught by example as well as command (Jesus' own baptism; Having His disciples baptize those following Christ; every new Christian in the book of Acts was immediately baptized, etc.). This is the beginning of 'good works' -- following Christ's commands.
But it goes on from there: the fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22-23 speaks of character traits and attitudes that show a life redeemed. They are fruit/proof of the work of the Spirit of God in the heart of the believer.
Caring for the widows and orphans (ie: the needy) are proof of a 'real' authentic Christian (James 1:27)
Feeding the poor, clothing the naked, etc. are works that please Christ and demonstrate people truly are His own (Matt 25:31-46; 1 John 3:16-18).
I could go on and on, but these are a fair example of the fact that genuine faith shows genuine repentance, which shows a genuine new life, which bears genuine fruit.
Anything less is a sham...and will not hold up before the Judge of all the earth.
" Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." (Titus 3:1,2,5-8)
In other words, you don't believe Christ dying for your sins was enough?
You believe one is not saved by grace but by works?
An excellent post. I believe that we must have a mind that truly desires DOING the will of God to be our highest priority in this life. The Apostles in Acts 5:32 said that God gives the Holy Ghost to THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.
Our Savior said that those who do the will of God will enter into the kingdom of heaven when He said in Matt.7:[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heave
The apostles in acts were of the Circumcision. The Circumcision believers had to remain faithful to the end or they would not be saved for the kingdom Christ is going to set up on earth.
Paul, the apostle of the nations, who are the uncircumcision, believe like Abraham in Romans 4. They just believe God that Christ died for their sins, was entombed and roused again the third day. Paul says if you believe that, you are righteous. You are righteous if you believe that. You are justified. You are reconciled to God through the death of His Son.
Yes, now is a day of salvation, but that salvation is not effective unless it is applied. If we are neglecting it, we are not living in that salvation.
Which "salvation" are you talking about?
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