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Why choose when, as many believe, you can have both. Simply make a one time profession of Christ and then live however you like. You've had your ticket punched and you are going to heaven. Be as selfish as you wish and ignore the needs of others--they can pray just like the one-time decision maker. In fact the one time decision makes UR look positively inviting. That's the evangelical version of UR---you do have to do something---once!
A faith that requires work and decisions, and prayer to God about the most effective way to be a servant to others even as Jesus was a service to men, is simply too hard and doesn't appeal to our selfish natures.
And a better question still is---If there were no biblical assurances of heaven, would one still live in a manner pleasing to Jesus?
The optimist sees this world as "as good as it gets." The pessimist fears the optimist is right.
You know what? The question was hypothetical and was not intended to start another ET/UR war. Let's leave that debate out of this thread.
I am wondering if/why people value free will with its inherent risks, or if they'd prefer not to be given the right to choose for themselves and have a guaranteed entrance to Heaven.
Yeah, you just wanna have fun, don't you? But suppose your bad choices had bad consequences. Would that make a difference?
To do otherwise, is to live a life totally without serendipity - a prospect that makes me shudder.
So you'd take the risk rather than going for Door #2, even though with Door #2, you couldn't lose? Of course, your response is coming from a non-Christian perspective, so I'm not entirely sure it's telling me what I want to know. But thanks anyway. [/quote]
There are no "bad" consequences, when we have "Kobayashi Maru," just results we have managed to use to our benefit.
He knows it . . . but since he always pretends he doesn't and perpetuates the lie about UR . . . it has to be deliberately deceptive posting to disparage UR.
Not really - no pretense here. We all have free will and either have salvation and eternal life, or we don't.
The 'LIE' of "Universal Reconciliation" is that all will ultimately be reconciled with God and spend eternity in heaven ... regardless of one's choices in this life. (door #3)
That simply isn't true, but, then, that's 'only' what the Bible says.
The 'LIE' of "Universal Reconciliation" is that all will ultimately be reconciled with God and spend eternity in heaven ... regardless of one's choices in this life. (door #3)
Actually, my thread is about only two doors -- and my OP described only described a hypothetical choice anyway, I'd really appreciate it if the debate could be on my initial question.
He knows it . . . but since he always pretends he doesn't and perpetuates the lie about UR . . . it has to be deliberately deceptive posting to disparage UR.
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Originally Posted by jghorton
Not really - no pretense here. We all have free will and either have salvation and eternal life, or we don't.
The 'LIE' of "Universal Reconciliation" is that all will ultimately be reconciled with God and spend eternity in heaven ... regardless of one's choices in this life. (door #3)
That simply isn't true, but, then, that's 'only' what the Bible says.
That is NOT what UR says and you have been told this many times. You prefer the lie. We have free will and it has nothing to do with being saved or not. Only Christ had anything to do with our salvation. We are all saved . . . but we are not all sanctified under His agape love for us all. That is where our free will comes in. We can follow His instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't . . . or we can suffer the consequences of our free choices. We WILL reap whatever we sow . . . but no more and no less.
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Actually, my thread is about only two doors -- and my OP described only described a hypothetical choice anyway, I'd really appreciate it if the debate could be on my initial question.
The debate IS on your initial question, Katz. UR has no effect on our free will choices or their consequences as implied in your hypothetical.
Since, presumably, everybody here hasn't committed suicide it's safe to assume they've all picked door #1 over the supposed perfect, mindless Heaven.
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