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The God I believe in (I'm not comfortable saying *my* God) is spelled L O V E.
"love" I am ok with that. Love is not a verb tho, I like verbing, its a science thang. So "loving" is/maybe more complete I think also, we have loveing there for it would too.
The point about punishment is not without merit, but believing that punishment without end and for no purpose but revenge is from God is manifestly self-contradictory, and that's only one way that perceptions ABOUT God are held to that standard that says God IS love.
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC
If you guys care to neglect part of who God is because you don't like what you see... that's your choice.
We do not neglect part of who God IS because God IS love. We reject the parts that come from our human nature and desire for vengeance or retribution or retaliation for wrongs. Agape love does not seek those things and call it justice . . . agape love pities those who are so confused and misguided that they do evil even without remorse. They are failing and agape love does NOT rejoice in anyone's failures.
"love" I am ok with that. Love is not a verb tho, I like verbing, its a science thang. So "loving" is/maybe more complete I think also, we have loveing there for it would too.
I don't know. I can't see it being just one thing. I don't know of anything more complex than us being one thing. We would see something vastly different around us I think. although If it is just love-ing then Buddha's stream of desires would fit. And god would not be all things for me. I am ok with "loving' in that it would fit more human conditions than just "love". And "love-ing" can look like hate. just ask my kid.
I don't know. I can't see it being just one thing. I don't know of anything more complex than us being one thing. We would see something vastly different around us I think. although If it is just love-ing then Buddha's stream of desires would fit. And god would not be all things for me. I am ok with "loving' in that it would fit more human conditions than just "love". And "love-ing" can look like hate. just ask my kid.
I don't know either, but as far as I'm concerned love us a good place to start.
A lot of replies, a lot of good advice here, accept for some like go see a doctor for anti depressants. Those do not work, and that only solves the symptoms, not the causes of my disbelief.
I know we are supposed to believe, trust, and love God. But why? Why do we need to become humble, beatin down, and weary just to have God help us? If anything I can see a good perfect loving God wanting us to stand tall in life, walk tall, smile and know how awesome we are. But if life is trials, pain, confusion, uncertainty, broken promises, why do we trust?
We do not neglect part of who God IS because God IS love. We reject the parts that come from our human nature and desire for vengeance or retribution or retaliation for wrongs. Agape love does not seek those things and call it justice . . . agape love pities those who are so confused and misguided that they do evil even without remorse. They are failing and agape love does NOT rejoice in anyone's failures.
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC
Again - love is never the standard. God is the standard... who is all love... and all holy... and immortal... and sovereign. If you or I can't comprehend Him (not "love"), that's not His problem - that's our problem.
But I understand where you are. Love is what makes sense... and good deeds. Because if we are good in our own eyes - God has to accept us, right?
You contradict yourself, just as the Bible does, yet you seem oblivious to it. Love IS the standard because God IS the standard and God IS love. You, like Clinton, seem not to understand the meaning of the word "IS." You definitely do NOT understand Pleroo or anyone else who is not indoctrinated with the "precepts and doctrines of men" into the words "written in ink" while ignoring the principle that actually underlies the words . . . agape love.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
The bible you believe says God IS love. Therefore, anything else that God is will not contradict the bible's own definition of love, at the very least. It is that simple to me.
No, you don't understand. I have never expressed such a belief because it is not my understanding. It isn't about God accepting or not accepting anyone. As I see it, it is about keeping one's focus on the God who is love.
You are correct, Pleroo . . . but you are dealing with unreasoning credulity in a static book of words . . . not someone who is in touch with the Living Word of God and Spirit.
The bible you believe says God IS love. Therefore, anything else that God is will not contradict the bible's own definition of love, at the very least. It is that simple to me.
It's not complicated.
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