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Like overeating? Or not exercising enough? Or........... never mind. We are all going to die. This is clearly not a suicide. A suicide is blowing your brains out with a gun, jumping from a bridge, cutting your wrists and bleeding out. A sick person who is tired of medications and stops taking them is not a suicide. Even if it was, it would not matter. Suicide is not unforgivable.
So a person I knew was a diabetic with advanced problems this person took a lot of meds but was miserable with the side effects it did keep them alive. It was my understanding this person just stopped taking all the meds and died. This person I'm talking about was a devout christian, and it seems to me this is a suicide. One might also say taking all those drugs to stay alive wasn't exactly natural either? This might be the same as not doing another round of Chemo just to stay alive another few months ? This example which is probably faced every day by someone is in fact a Suicide.
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a lot of pain. Day in and day out. ... He opted to take the whole bottle of vicodin one night. They called it an accidental overdose. Should he have done this? I will never know because I'm not him nor am I God. We all as christians do things everyday we shouldn't do. Now I know my brother loved Jesus and trusted Him with his salvation. I really believe I'll see him again one day and I also believe God knew his heart and my brother is in glory right now
Every case is individual. God knows the heart and soul of every living being. If they're suffering with pain and misery and medical treatments and medications aren't making it better and they willfully choose to stop all treatments at the risk of their own death, that is not suicide in God's eyes. It's ending one's suffering. There are many people who are mentally ill or were abused early in life that caused them not to be able to function right and they committed what we traditionally know of as "suicide". That is also ending one's suffering.
God is very much aware of the heart of mankind and where each of us stand emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and physically. He's filled with so much love and mercy and understanding for us and our lives. There are FEW things a person who commits suicide could do to land themselves apart from God for eternity. Examples being rejecting Christ (above all), terrorist, individuals who commit suicide as an act of revenge, people that kill themselves as an offer to idols or for political statements, etc.
I agree, I certainly can't imagine God would condemn the 9/11 jumpers even though they technically committed suicide. It's all about the heart of man.
We have extended the duration of life without quality. We can keep a gunshot victim alive if we can get them to the hospital, whether they were a bystander or the intended target in a drive-by. Our technical ability to save a life has gone beyond morality to keep life going (breathing, nourished, with beating heart). Some would say those who were suicidal were not in their right mind, so all bets are off - at least this is the thesis for those who create anti-suicide pacts with those seeking mental health support.
Of all the rights we should have, one is the right to die. What has been shown through research is most people live fully and efficiently until the last month prior to death. There are extreme measures often taken to prolong that - the family, the hospital, and the insurance company inherit the sum of bills to pay after someone has passed. There are few benefits to prolonging life. We should have death with dignity. The last living will I created for myself allowed palliative care for the last six months of life if it was deemed a terminal illness. Is diabetes terminal? No. Has this person spoken with a specialist about their needs?
I have met young persons who had the will to live and had innumerable life-threatening disorders. I've also had persons who did not address their spiritual/existential issues, and they were still raging and screaming at death's door. I support persons being self-determined, although I encourage the same in reasoned methods, by discussing this with ministers and counselors as well as medical practitioners. There are a number of research forums on this topic, as can be found through Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_die; be appropriately informed of all your choices.
We have extended the duration of life without quality. We can keep a gunshot victim alive if we can get them to the hospital, whether they were a bystander or the intended target in a drive-by. Our technical ability to save a life has gone beyond morality to keep life going (breathing, nourished, with beating heart). Some would say those who were suicidal were not in their right mind, so all bets are off - at least this is the thesis for those who create anti-suicide pacts with those seeking mental health support.
Of all the rights we should have, one is the right to die. What has been shown through research is most people live fully and efficiently until the last month prior to death. There are extreme measures often taken to prolong that - the family, the hospital, and the insurance company inherit the sum of bills to pay after someone has passed. There are few benefits to prolonging life. We should have death with dignity. The last living will I created for myself allowed palliative care for the last six months of life if it was deemed a terminal illness. Is diabetes terminal? No. Has this person spoken with a specialist about their needs?
I have met young persons who had the will to live and had innumerable life-threatening disorders. I've also had persons who did not address their spiritual/existential issues, and they were still raging and screaming at death's door. I support persons being self-determined, although I encourage the same in reasoned methods, by discussing this with ministers and counselors as well as medical practitioners. There are a number of research forums on this topic, as can be found through Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_die; be appropriately informed of all your choices.
From a non religious standpoint I agree I'm not even religious, but I was trying to understand what the bible says is right and wrong thing to do here. If someone takes a whole bottle of pain killers because they are suffering from a physical disease is that any different if someone is depressed and jumps off a bridge. This person who I knew was very devout person and their friends who are also part of the same religion are not talking about what happened because I think they feel what this person did was against their religious beliefs.
From a non religious standpoint I agree I'm not even religious, but I was trying to understand what the bible says is right and wrong thing to do here. If someone takes a whole bottle of pain killers because they are suffering from a physical disease is that any different if someone is depressed and jumps off a bridge. This person who I knew was very devout person and their friends who are also part of the same religion are not talking about what happened because I think they feel what this person did was against their religious beliefs.
Well, that's unfortunate that these "friends" don't trust God with this person's death. People do all sorts of desperate things when under duress. That doesn't cancel out God's mercy. O ye of little faith.
So a person I knew was a diabetic with advanced problems this person took a lot of meds but was miserable with the side effects it did keep them alive. It was my understanding this person just stopped taking all the meds and died. This person I'm talking about was a devout christian, and it seems to me this is a suicide. One might also say taking all those drugs to stay alive wasn't exactly natural either? This might be the same as not doing another round of Chemo just to stay alive another few months ? This example which is probably faced every day by someone is in fact a Suicide.
Something to consider...
Jesus could have easily used His power and stayed alive, but chose to give His life up. That was not sin.
So a person I knew was a diabetic with advanced problems this person took a lot of meds but was miserable with the side effects it did keep them alive. It was my understanding this person just stopped taking all the meds and died. This person I'm talking about was a devout christian, and it seems to me this is a suicide. One might also say taking all those drugs to stay alive wasn't exactly natural either? This might be the same as not doing another round of Chemo just to stay alive another few months ? This example which is probably faced every day by someone is in fact a Suicide.
Sorry to hear that this was an actual case, not just a scenario.
Once again I must state that contrary to the ungodly difference of opinion, no matter the circumstance >> generally speaking << the taking of one's own life is not a God pleasing act because it is self-murder; be that of a devout Christian or non-Christian and is not encouraged or endorsed by God as we hear in God's inspired Word in the Bible.
Yet, suicide was just one of the many sins that Jesus came to die on the cross as the substitute payment that the just Law of God demands to be paid. So it really comes down to the correct belief in Jesus ... as Jesus said:
Matthew 12:37 "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 15:18-20
"But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.
For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person;"
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
If someone is a christian and they have a lot of medical problems and stop taking their medication and die is that considered a suicide which I'm told is something a christian should not do?
Hard to say. The opinions on suicide differ wildly from person to person, and religion to religion. WoodrowLi for example has expressed some horrific opinions on suicide in the past from the perspective of his Muslim religion.
Your question is further compounded however by the fact that for some the lack of taking medication is actually positively mandated. Even within some of the branches and off shoots of Christianity. So not only is the suicide of the form you describe ok, it is positively mandated. Because medical intervention is prohobited in those religions.
We have even had multiple media stories on parents who have watched their own children die, some recently, of easily treatable medical conditions due to the prohibition their brand of Christianity places on medical intervention. So one wonders if you wish to call not taking medication "suicide" are you therefore compelled to call withholding it from others "murder"? If so, I would be inclined to agree strongly.
So I guess all of that is a long winded way of saying "It is too complicated to answer easily".
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