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If one does not believe the things Jesus taught, why argue salvation ?
If you are new age and attempting to blend Jesus with every one else you don't believe Jesus at all.
John14;6,
If your calling Jesus a liar, why bother calling your self christian?
Essentially that is what Paul did, establishing his own gospel in place of Jesus gospel, and then cursing any one that brings a different gospel than his.
If one is not under Jesus gospel, he is not, CHRIST ONE.
If one is not taught of the Holy Spirit as Jesus specifically designated, there is no relationship there is no salvation in them.
Matthew 7;21,22,23,
NOT every one that says to me Lord ,Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he that does the will of the Father in heaven.
This is real time obedience folks, not doing what is right in your own eyes.
This is not academics, and justifying ones self among the world with knowledge they will accept.
If a man doesn't love God , God is not obligated to reveal Himself to them in a personal way .
The best expression of love for God is to OBEY HIM, personally.
Not looking for excuses in scriptures to compromise every thing Jesus said.
Come judgment day those excuses especially being taught to others, will be judgment against that one as a "false teacher."
Revelation . Jesus had strict warning to compromised churches .
In stead of looking for ways to compromise Jesus gospel ,get right with God , that He be your teacher not self or men.
Jesus said "Blessed are they that DO hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled."
Desperation folks.
Indwelling Spirit, every one ask about the Holy Spirit, Who is really the Holy Spirit?
The Spirit of agape love (Who IS God). We are to adopt the Spirit . . . NOT OBEY. When we adopt the Spirit, all our "fruit" is of the Spirit. When we just OBEY, it is meaningless because it is not coming from our Spirit out of agape love. It is coming from obedience. We are NOT pets in obedience training. We are children maturing our Spirits to be compatible with God's Holy Spirit of agape love.
The Spirit of agape love (Who IS God). We are to adopt the Spirit . . . NOT OBEY. When we adopt the Spirit, all our "fruit" is of the Spirit. When we just OBEY, it is meaningless because it is not coming from our Spirit out of agape love. It is coming from obedience. We are NOT pets in obedience training. We are children maturing our Spirits to be compatible with God's Holy Spirit of agape love.
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Originally Posted by arleigh
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What is Jesus to you ?
The Son of God who saved us ALL from permanent separation from God by bringing God's Holy Spirit to His human consciousness and connecting ALL human consciousness to God. When He died He was "born again" as Spirit, as we will be when we die. Now He abides with us within our consciousness as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
The Son of God who saved us ALL from permanent separation from God by bringing God's Holy Spirit to His human consciousness and connecting ALL human consciousness to God. When He died He was "born again" as Spirit, as we will be when we die. Now He abides with us within our consciousness as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
So to you ,does it matter whether a person believes in Jesus or not ?
The Son of God who saved us ALL from permanent separation from God by bringing God's Holy Spirit to His human consciousness and connecting ALL human consciousness to God. When He died He was "born again" as Spirit, as we will be when we die. Now He abides with us within our consciousness as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
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Originally Posted by arleigh
So to you ,does it matter whether a person believes in Jesus or not ?
What you should ask is does it matter to God which of the myriad confused, convoluted, contorted and twisted human beliefs ABOUT God and Jesus you accept?? The answer is "No." To "believe ON" Jesus has nothing to do with what you claim to believe ABOUT Him. The phrase often translated as "believe in" ispisteuō eis which is used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul.
No one says God doesn't hold us accountable for our un-love . . . but having what you consider the wrong belief is not subject to accountability. God has no ego needs that must be assuaged by our fawning over Him or His Son. "Belief on" His Son is an inner conviction to Christ-like attitudes toward all human beings that results when we listen to Christ's Holy Spirit (Comforter sent in His name) within guiding us to what God has "written in our hearts." THAT is the "believe on" Jesus that matters . . . not what you proclaim to "believe in."
Since we have the Comforter within our consciousness each and every one of us has access to this inner and higher prerogative . . . whether or not we claim to call ourselves Christian. This is what Paul referred to as the "law written in the hearts" even of unbelievers . . . who are a law unto themselves. As Paul states it in Romans 2:14
. . . When the Gentiles who have no law do by nature what the law prescribes, these having no law are a law unto themselves. They show the work of the law written in their hearts. Their conscience bears witness to them, even when conflicting thoughts accuse or defend them.
.....Since we have the Comforter within our consciousness each and every one of us has access to this inner and higher prerogative . . . whether or not we claim to call ourselves Christian. This is what Paul referred to as the "law written in the hearts" even of unbelievers . . . who are a law unto themselves. As Paul states it in Romans 2:14
I guess your saying even unbelievers have the Comforter within their consciousness now but just don't realize it? What happens then during a personal conversion process?
The Son of God who saved us ALL from permanent separation from God by bringing God's Holy Spirit to His human consciousness and connecting ALL human consciousness to God. When He died He was "born again" as Spirit, as we will be when we die. Now He abides with us within our consciousness as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
What you should ask is does it matter to God which of the myriad confused, convoluted, contorted and twisted human beliefs ABOUT God and Jesus you accept?? The answer is "No." To "believe ON" Jesus has nothing to do with what you claim to believe ABOUT Him. The phrase often translated as "believe in" ispisteuō eis which is used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul.
No one says God doesn't hold us accountable for our un-love . . . but having what you consider the wrong belief is not subject to accountability. God has no ego needs that must be assuaged by our fawning over Him or His Son. "Belief on" His Son is an inner conviction to Christ-like attitudes toward all human beings that results when we listen to Christ's Holy Spirit (Comforter sent in His name) within guiding us to what God has "written in our hearts." THAT is the "believe on" Jesus that matters . . . not what you proclaim to "believe in."
Since we have the Comforter within our consciousness each and every one of us has access to this inner and higher prerogative . . . whether or not we claim to call ourselves Christian. This is what Paul referred to as the "law written in the hearts" even of unbelievers . . . who are a law unto themselves. As Paul states it in Romans 2:14
. . . When the Gentiles who have no law do by nature what the law prescribes, these having no law are a law unto themselves. They show the work of the law written in their hearts. Their conscience bears witness to them, even when conflicting thoughts accuse or defend them.
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Originally Posted by Zero 7
I guess your saying even unbelievers have the Comforter within their consciousness now but just don't realize it? What happens then during a personal conversion process?
They learn that He is within and start to listen to what God has "written in our hearts" and not the "precepts and doctrines of men" from words "written in ink."
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Originally Posted by Freak80
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Indwelling Spirit, every one ask about the Holy Spirit, Who is really the Holy Spirit?
