Would You Consider non-Trinitarian Christians to be actual Christians (apostles, Savior, devil)
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and, as I demonstrated, her own reasoning, too. Just as one cannot be a mormon without believing some basic mormon teachings, one cannot be a Christian without believing some basic Christian teachings.
The question that I have is...why does everyone get so worked up about being so inclusive in Christianity when we don't require the same thing of other religious groups? A mormon can get on here all day long and tell people that they are not mormons if they don't hold to certain beliefs...but if I try to do the same thing in defending my faith, I get called a bigot.
The question that I have is...why does everyone get so worked up about being so inclusive in Christianity when we don't require the same thing of other religious groups? A mormon can get on here all day long and tell people that they are not mormons if they don't hold to certain beliefs...but if I try to do the same thing in defending my faith, I get called a bigot.
Christ was inclusive . . . NOT exclusive. He did NOT create a set of beliefs that He wanted his disciples to believe . . . or else. He repeatedly instructed His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when they didn't. THAT is how you follow Christ and THAT is who are Christians.
Originally Posted by twin.spin right ... God doesn't go by "silly labels" yet you're sure he does of your labeling.
so who is labeling you as a Christian?
As far as something that you never done in your life, whose fault is that for not watching out for false prophets \ false teachers as Jesus revealed and as God also revealed the same in Jeremiah 14:14 and Jeremiah 23:26 ?
Just what do you think a false prophet says .... Hey lookie lookie, don't listen to me cause I'm a false prophet and don't worry cause I would never call myself a Christian !!
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Lots of people. A lot of other people label, including you, have labeled me as a "non-Christian."
What did you say recently ...
"Whether you believe He is the same being as His own Father or a different being, you can still revere Him as your Savior and strive to live as He told us to. That's how I believe He is going to recognize the "real Christians."
and the opposite of not " to strive as he He told us to" is what? ... you really think insinuation isn't the same as saying it?
Don't bother, I know you actually don't want to see it anymore than wanting to see that the Bible reveals that God is Triune.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Jesus warned His followers to watch out for "false prophets." He didn't say anything about watching out for "all prophets."
"you can still revere Him as your Savior and strive to live as He told us to. That's how I believe He is going to recognize the "real Christians."
Only a wantonly individual not desiring to know the truth would reason away Jesus' warning under the rational banner of "all prophets" that you're suggesting by not to validate that statement in bold.
It's prudent to do the Berean method alone like they did with Paul along with researching if others with the same affiliation has historically said such.
Christ was inclusive . . . NOT exclusive. He did NOT create a set of beliefs that He wanted his disciples to believe . . . or else. He repeatedly instructed His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when they didn't. THAT is how you follow Christ and THAT is who are Christians.
The irony is that you are completely oblivious to the fact that you're attempting to make theological statements about doctrine to say that theology and doctrine don't matter. So you're basically stating that you are full of hot air.
I have already chosen to ignore you...but I couldn't resist pointing out the fact that you are self-refuting.
and, as I demonstrated, her own reasoning, too. Just as one cannot be a mormon without believing some basic mormon teachings, one cannot be a Christian without believing some basic Christian teachings.
The question that I have is...why does everyone get so worked up about being so inclusive in Christianity when we don't require the same thing of other religious groups? A mormon can get on here all day long and tell people that they are not mormons if they don't hold to certain beliefs...but if I try to do the same thing in defending my faith, I get called a bigot.
Well that's just it...who gets to decide what the boundaries are? What doctrines are "non-negotiable" for any given religion?
These days it's pretty much a free-for-all, for better or for worse. "Christianity" can mean almost anything...from a generic belief in a "higher power" to strict biblical literalism to little more than cultural identity.
That's one of the main reasons I left Christianity. I couldn't understand why "one true God" couldn't keep the "one true faith" from fragmenting to the point where the term "Christian" has become almost meaningless.
Now that I am an atheist it all makes perfect sense: Christianity is a product of human imagination and is not from a God. Therefore it makes perfect sense that Christianity would change and fragment over time, as does any other human cultural construct.
Well that's just it...who gets to decide what the boundaries are? What doctrines are "non-negotiable" for any given religion?
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These days it's pretty much a free-for-all, for better or for worse. "Christianity" can mean almost anything...from a generic belief in a "higher power" to strict biblical literalism to little more than cultural identity.
That's one of the main reasons I left Christianity. I couldn't understand why "one true God" couldn't even keep the "one true faith" from fragmenting to the point where the term "Christian" had become almost meaningless.
Even in the 1st Century, Paul warned that there were impostors in the faith that were teaching a false Gospel. Of course, God saves--and he has preserved his church to today....even in the midst of false teachers.
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Now that I am an atheist it all makes perfect sense: Christianity is a product of human imagination and is not from a God. Therefore it makes perfect sense that Christianity would change and fragment over time.
Yet, as I said...it's managed to survive for 2000 years despite all sorts of attacks.
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[quote=Vizio;40135862Even in the 1st Century, Paul warned that there were impostors in the faith that were teaching a false Gospel. Of course, God saves--and he has preserved his church to today....even in the midst of false teachers.[/quote]
Pretty ironic that Paul should say that, huh?...
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... God doesn't go by "silly labels" yet you're sure he does of your labeling.