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Old 07-16-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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The promise of the New covenant is to be made with Israel and Judah, not the Gentiles...
And when that Covenant is opened to gentiles?
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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And when that Covenant is opened to gentiles?
For your answer to that read Isaiah 53...
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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For your answer to that read Isaiah 53...
So it is NOT limited to Israel and Judah.
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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Yea and he showed you the way to go But you insist on going your own way...
The point being...... christianity is not based in judaism.. it is based upon the revelation of God our Father through his son. In other words there is nothing outwardly Jewish about those who live by faith. God forbid someone would think I am jewish or christian because of my outward appearance.

Let your adorning be that of outward appearance, rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.


As for me,I choose the way the way to the Father the son revealed
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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Paul's twist to Jesus gospel did not make it so.
All too often men fail to remember the construction of the bible, and tend to worship it in place of God, much like the Jew obsessed with their religion and heritage, and not God.
Jesus gave direct and exact instruction to the disciples NOT to be called master, rabbi, or father. Titles of authority and tutelage belong to God not men.
Paul defied that order and caused a great deal of trouble for the church .
The birth of division, and the emphasis on academics, rather than obedience to God in a relationship, supported by the Holy Spirit Jesus specifically designated as teacher in His place.
Jesus did not teach grace, He taught and demonstrated obedience to the Father real time.
And that is exactly what He does, in the life of those whom are born again and filled with the Holy Spirit, that choose to obey Him.
There in is His Lordship realized.
Early Christians could be obedient and taught of God 1 John 2;20,21 , New testament scriptures had not even been assyembled yet .
It is not the scriptures that sustain the believer, but His relationship with God . many thousands believed, having no scriptures at all , is their salvation less valued ?
I submit to you it was of greater value, being more dependent on the Spirit of God to support them, rather than second hand information men tend to manipulate for them self, circumventing God's design.
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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So it is NOT limited to Israel and Judah.
Read Isaiah 53...
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:47 AM
 
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The promise of the New covenant is to be made with Israel and Judah, not the Gentiles...
There were only two people during Jesus' ministry that He proclaimed as having "great faith".

Neither of them were Jews - that's why their faith was outstanding.
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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The point being...... christianity is not based in judaism.. it is based upon the revelation of God our Father through his son. In other words there is nothing outwardly Jewish about those who live by faith. God forbid someone would think I am jewish or christian because of my outward appearance.

Let your adorning be that of outward appearance, rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.


As for me,I choose the way the way to the Father the son revealed
That was talking to women...If it is not based in Judaism then where does your god come from?...
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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There were only two people during Jesus' ministry that He proclaimed as having "great faith".

Neither of them were Jews - that's why their faith was outstanding.
And that is what a non-eyewitness wrote that he said...
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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There were only two people during Jesus' ministry that He proclaimed as having "great faith".

Neither of them were Jews - that's why their faith was outstanding.
Oh, and you're still deflecting....
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