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Old 07-25-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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Speaks for its self..




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rHh...ature=youtu.be
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Old 07-25-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Zman, this is truly a great message in a bottle. I particularly liked Pastor Smith's words:

"You can't antagonize and then evangelize. You can't insult and then inspire."

DrRob4JC needs to view a real sermon from an inspired black preacher. More than that, he needs to have it sink into his heart.

Too soon, etc., but a big thumbs up!!!
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Old 07-25-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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To my knowledge the tune to the following hymn, written by a homosexual pastor more than a decade ago, is unavailable from any source. Not certain, but I think the tune is to "Stand Up for Jesus" by George James Webb. The words are terrific, and I understand it was sung frequently in the Metropolitan Community Church in Boston, I believe:

  1. When Israel camped in Sinai, then Moses heard from God:
    "This message tell my people, and give them this, my word:
    From Egypt I was with you, and carried on my wing,
    The whole of your great nation from slavery I did bring.
  2. Just like a mother eagle, who helps her young to fly,
    I am a mother to you, your needs will I supply;
    And you are as my children, the ones who hear my voice,
    I am a mother to you, the people of my choice."
  3. If God is like an eagle who helps her young to fly,
    And God is also Father, what then of you and I?
    We have no fear of labels, we have no fear of roles--
    If God's own being blends them, we seek the selfsame goals.
  4. Our God is not a woman, our God is not a man;
    Our God is both and neither, our God is I Who Am.
    From all the roles that bind us our God has set us free.
    What freedom does God give us? The freedom just to be.
Rev. Laurence G. Bernier
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Old 07-25-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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Interesting that he thinks God speaks to him.

But he makes a great point. I absolutely agree that we gloss over the sinful behavior of many people in the church. But why the false dichotomy? We are to call people to repentance regardless of the sin. I agree that the church has completely failed in that regard.

But he also demonstrated a lack of understanding of the Mosaic Law. He seemed to dismiss homosexuality as a sin because it's from Leviticus, but completely ignored the fact that Jesus did preach the Biblical definition of marriage.
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Old 07-25-2015, 04:44 PM
 
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Interesting that he thinks God speaks to him.

But he makes a great point. I absolutely agree that we gloss over the sinful behavior of many people in the church. But why the false dichotomy? We are to call people to repentance regardless of the sin. I agree that the church has completely failed in that regard.

But he also demonstrated a lack of understanding of the Mosaic Law. He seemed to dismiss homosexuality as a sin because it's from Leviticus, but completely ignored the fact that Jesus did preach the Biblical definition of marriage.
Does God not speak to you reverend?

GOD still speaks today, do you not believe that?

He was speaking about DIVORCE..Jesus never said SSM was a sin. JESUS never ever mentions SSM..He talks ONLY about DIVORCE. Then he adds that some were BORN EUNUCHS (LGBTQ)

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP twisting scripture and taking contextual liberties to fit fundie oppression.
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Old 07-25-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Does God not speak to you reverend?

GOD still speaks today, do you not believe that?

He was speaking about DIVORCE..Jesus never said SSM was a sin. JESUS never ever mentions SSM..He talks ONLY about DIVORCE. Then he adds that some were BORN EUNUCHS (LGBTQ)

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP twisting scripture and taking contextual liberties to fit fundie oppression.
I've asked several times for somebody to quote the Biblical DEFINITION of marriage, but all I ever get are references to a wedding, a bride, etc. No definition. I thought one of these people who know the Bible so well would know where the definition is.
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Old 07-25-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Interesting that he thinks God speaks to him.

But he makes a great point. I absolutely agree that we gloss over the sinful behavior of many people in the church. But why the false dichotomy? We are to call people to repentance regardless of the sin. I agree that the church has completely failed in that regard.

But he also demonstrated a lack of understanding of the Mosaic Law. He seemed to dismiss homosexuality as a sin because it's from Leviticus, but completely ignored the fact that Jesus did preach the Biblical definition of marriage.
Yes, he pretends Leviticus is the only book where it is mentioned. That is deceptive.
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Old 07-25-2015, 05:02 PM
 
Location: New England
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Interesting that he thinks God speaks to him.

But he makes a great point. I absolutely agree that we gloss over the sinful behavior of many people in the church. But why the false dichotomy? We are to call people to repentance regardless of the sin. I agree that the church has completely failed in that regard.

But he also demonstrated a lack of understanding of the Mosaic Law. He seemed to dismiss homosexuality as a sin because it's from Leviticus, but completely ignored the fact that Jesus did preach the Biblical definition of marriage.
Interesting that you believe he doesn't. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Just to remind you the mouth of God is not the bible, but that which he does say can be heard by those who have an ear to hear.
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Old 07-25-2015, 05:07 PM
 
Location: New England
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Yes, he pretends Leviticus is the only book where it is mentioned. That is deceptive.
Are you serious? Did it go right over your head the point he was making. Enjoy your shrimp sandwich, they taste better by the way up here in New England.
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Old 07-25-2015, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Calling Evil Good and Good Evil - I recognized what the OP was bringing to our attention right away:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhyeopJEurw

It has been said so many times here on C-D and dragging the same thing up again and again will not change the word of God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdWw5ySpB7Y It was written. The law of God doesn't change. Yes, some churches are trying to keep up with the times in their social club fashion rather than honoring God by calling evil good and good evil. All those that support this deny the God of Abraham but that is why God gave men freewill so that they could prove themselves or not.

We are all tempted by sin. We all sin. We do not however try to force others to support our sins. We do not try to change the word of God to fit our personal agendas.
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