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Old 09-05-2015, 12:37 AM
 
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Women do not have to apologize, or ask forgiveness for their reproductive health decisions. The idea is silly.
No, they don't but they do need to ask Christ to forgive them for killing what God has given them, a child.
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:41 AM
 
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NO HE DID NOT.. GOD and GOD alone has that power. MORTALS can not be trusted to decide whose sin is or is not forgiven. If that were true, then Jesus just wasted 33 years on earth...

But, if I joined your church I would be able to condemn you of all your sins??
Mortals do not forgive sins, it is Christ acting through the priest that does the forgiving. It is the priest who says the words of absolution but it is Christ who does the forgiving.
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:46 AM
 
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Fact is no man on earth can forgive our sins of any kind. Even my wife who is Catholic does not agree with pope but she is allowed to do so. She also believes the present Pope is to much into earthly matters instead of work of the church. She says tho church leaders have done this before if you look at history. Reason to ask for forgiveness of sins of the Church in every service. We ask the same in service as Methodist. Above is clearly not a Christian ;so believe what you want to. this is a Christi discussion forum not a political which some seem to think it is.
I think your wife knows this but in case she doesn't please tell her, only venial sins are forgiven at Mass, not mortal. For mortal sins to be forgive she needs to go to confession.

She can ask about this here. www.catholic.com You can go to the forums to ask questions.

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Old 09-05-2015, 12:51 AM
 
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The idea that ANY human being can be infallible at any time for any reason is just preposterous!!! When will we outgrow these silly ideas???
It's not the Pope that is infallible but the Holy Spirit speaking through the Pope. The Church has been around for more than 2,000 years. I think the holy Spirit has done His job keeping the Church safe and will until the end of time like the bible says.
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Old 09-05-2015, 01:04 AM
 
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This is the Divine Mercy the Pope is talking about. Christ's heart.
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Old 09-05-2015, 01:47 AM
 
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The idea that ANY human being can be infallible at any time for any reason is just preposterous!!! When will we outgrow these silly ideas???
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It's not the Pope that is infallible but the Holy Spirit speaking through the Pope. The Church has been around for more than 2,000 years. I think the holy Spirit has done His job keeping the Church safe and will until the end of time like the bible says.
::Sigh:: More magical thinking. The number of utterly evil and corrupt Popes throughout the Church's history testifies to the absolute idiocy of thinking that any organization comprised of men could ever be infallible or even halfway decent!!!
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Old 09-05-2015, 04:19 AM
 
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This is the Divine Mercy the Pope is talking about. Christ's heart.
Divine mercy?

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Old 09-05-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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In America the priests have always had the ability to forgive the sin of abortion when a woman confessed but in other countries the priests need to go to the local bishop to get permission to forgive. That is the difference. The year of Divine Mercy is coming so that is what the Pope is doing for it.
Janelle, actually at least according to the recent article in catholic news service---priests in the u.s. have had the facility for absolving abortions "for the last 30 years" not "always". that said, the fact that there is been an "easy" availability in this country for a significant period of time ALREADY for those involved in both procuring and providing the abortion IF they are repentant and wish to avail themselves of the sacrament---shows that the whole media hoopla (and resulting discussions) is even LESS of big deal than I already thought!!!!!!!!!

OTOH, maybe if somebody who really wants and needs reconciliation for this sad event finds out that the opportunity is available and readily so (whether "suddenly now' or "always has been) and takes advantage of this ministry OR if maybe some (both in and outside the church) now find that the church is in fact vitally interested in and eager to welcome back women (and men) who somehow previously felt ignored, left out, or sadly even condemned by that church for this thing and as a result improve their understanding and maybe even appreciation of the Catholic Church---that of course is a wonderfully good thing hoopla or otherwise.

thanks for the info. and God bless.

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Old 09-05-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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No, they don't but they do need to ask Christ to forgive them for killing what God has given them, a child.
I leave those decisions to them. They do not have to do a thing. You might, but that would be personal to you.
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Old 09-05-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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I think your wife knows this but in case she doesn't please tell her, only venial sins are forgiven at Mass, not mortal. For mortal sins to be forgive she needs to go to confession.

She can ask about this here. www.catholic.com You can go to the forums to ask questions.
Dear jan,
The Roman Catholic church was institutionalized first by Constantine, and his Council of Nicaea, and then Theodosius in his edict declaring the Nicene Trinitarian Christianity to be the only legitimate Imperial religion in 380 AD. The Roman church is just another one of the harlot daughters of Babylon, which sits on the political heads of the beast of Revelation. The beast got its' authority from the "dragon"/devil (Rev
13). The church is nothing but politics, from Athanasius and his feud with Arius over the Trinity doctrine, to Constantine glorifying the two shepherds of Zechariah 11, who were to shepherd the "flock doomed to slaughter". The two shepherds being Peter and Paul, Peter being the "worthless" shepherd who would not care, tend or feed the sheep per Zechariah 11:16-17, and Paul being the shepherd called "Favor", being in regards to his false gospel of grace, and his trying to annul the covenant God made with all the people. (Ze 11:10). Constantine glorified Peter and Paul by building them each a basilica, which is a church built in the shape of a cross, which is the symbol that Sol Invictus, Constantine's God, gave him in his vision in the year 311 AD. The cross is the sign given to Constantine by Sol Invictus under which to go out and conquer. It is an old pagan symbol in which the Roman church has "waged war with the saints" (Rev 13:7).

And no, priest of the Roman church have neither the power to forgive sins and heal for others, or themselves.
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