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Here's a thought. Perhaps LGBT don't particularly care if they are affirmed or condemned and would be perfectly happy not to be persecuted and simply be left in peace to live their lives.
Where do we discuss your post commenting on the Matthew Vines' video - here on this thread or elsewhere?
Warden brought Vines into the conversation... not that it matters one way or the other.
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Originally Posted by Tired of the Nonsense
Here's a thought. Perhaps LGBT don't particularly care if they are affirmed or condemned and would be perfectly happy not to be persecuted and simply be left in peace to live their lives.
If that were the case, I would agree with you. But that is not the case as laws are being changed and school curriculums are being altered... and people are reacting to it.
Because it isn't any of your business to do so! What is so difficult to comprehend about this? For Christians, God is NOT counting our sins against us so why on earth would anyone concern themselves with what they think is someone else's sins???
so is what you're saying, a person can sin and "god" won't hold them accountable for it? just as long as they are Christians? what about if they intentionally sin, something like fornication. can a Christian who isn't married continue to have sex. and it won't be held against the?
That is a great article and as a same sex attracted person that is Christian it is very bold and to the point.
Tried to access the article, but the link was broken. I can only refer to the topic in a second hand manner.
I went into a biker bar and shared a few words with the men there about Christ and about church. Their attitude was quite realistic and to the point. They knew why they were there (in the bar). They were sinners and they admitted it, but at least they had the guts to admit what they were doing and why. The extension of that observation is that a lot of Protestant Christians don't know why they go to church. I submit that gays don't either.
Christ condemned those that sit on fences. He said He could work with those who were hot (into sin) and that He could work with those who were cold (indifferent to God and His law). His greatest condemnation was upon those who were lukewarm (the Laodicean Church if you want to look it up). In the parlance of our times it means those that sit on a moral and spiritual fence and try to balance their thoughts and actions between two opposing systems (the world and Heaven). Our Lord said He could do nothing with them, therefore condemnation is upon them.
God loves those who have the presence of mind to know they are sinners and who admit it to Him. He turns a deaf ear to those who stand in their hubris and deny any wrong doing on their part. The only prayer God will hear from a sinner is the prayer of repentance. Make no mistake, God does not listen to the prayers of the wicked.
The Bible makes it quite clear that it is the sinner who condemns himself.
A Christian is not called to condemn anyone, but a Christian IS called to warn.(*) Biblical law, precepts and history give a clear and undeniable message that God forbids the gay lifestyle. When a gay person denies warnings from the Bible and from those who know Holy Writ, they condemn themselves. In the typical fashion of the guilty, however, they vehemently deny any such implication and insist their heinous acts be allowed to continue. In America today they even expect men and women of good conscience to abandon their own faith and approve of their unnatural acts. In short, gays condemn Christians more often than they receive warnings from the church. It's also true that church leaders have corrupted themselves and will not speak against it. It's a sign of the times that moral leadership cannot be demonstrated by those who are supposed to define it.
"The parsons will dig their own graves. They will betray their God to us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable jobs and incomes. Protestant clergy don't believe in anything except their well-being and office". - Adolph Hitler
"If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the public press lacks moral discernment, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the world loses its interest in Christianity, the pulpit is responsible for it. If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it. If our politics become so corrupt that their very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it." - Charles Finney
IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA, THEN HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
- Shanghai curse August 1937
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
(*) This is also true for Judaism and Islam, although Muslims tend to take execution of the law into their own hands especially where gays are concerned. A lot of gays neglect this point - blaming Christians for warning even as they ignore death at the hands of the Saracen. Gays, more than any other group, have more to fear from Islam than any other religious group. Why don't they speak up about it? Surely they know.
Warden brought Vines into the conversation... not that it matters one way or the other.
If that were the case, I would agree with you. But that is not the case as laws are being changed and school curriculums are being altered... and people are reacting to it.
Laws are being changed to allow for equal rights, which, in the land of the free, is the heritage of everyone. And in the meantime not a single American family has been destroyed in the process.
Laws are being changed to allow for equal rights, which, in the land of the free, is the heritage of everyone. And in the meantime not a single American family has been destroyed in the process.
Agreed. For all the talk about treating everyone decently and in a "loving" manner, fundamentalists still favor laws against whatever is the "sin" of the day. We know it is purely cultural as instilled by denominational religion because they used to believe alcohol was a "sin," so much so that they had an amendment outlawing its sale. That didn't work out so well so it is no longer a "sin" worth mentioning.
In a hundred years the prejudice against homosexuals will be considered as archaic and sinful as we all consider slavery to be. My grandfather had plenty of Scripture verses as to why white and black people should be kept separate socially and miscegenation enforced by law. He went to his grave believing it was "God's will," not his.
Laws are being changed to allow for equal rights, which, in the land of the free, is the heritage of everyone. And in the meantime not a single American family has been destroyed in the process.
People have the right to disagree and speak up about what they don't like. Voicing one's opinion is not a one way street - regardless of the reason one believes they way they do.
Families are the building blocks of a culture. When those building blocks are founded on the faulty principle that homosexuality is good and profitable - it is a matter of time before cracks appear in the wall.
That does not mean homosexuals should be denied anything to which anyone else has a basic right. Now we are getting confused as to what are rights, and what are privileges - but no one should be treated unfairly in a strict human & American respect.
People have the right to disagree and speak up about what they don't like. Voicing one's opinion is not a one way street - regardless of the reason one believes they way they do.
Families are the building blocks of a culture. When those building blocks are founded on the faulty principle that homosexuality is good and profitable - it is a matter of time before cracks appear in the wall.
That does not mean homosexuals should be denied anything to which anyone else has a basic right. Now we are getting confused as to what are rights, and what are privileges - but no one should be treated unfairly in a strict human & American respect.
Relationships are the building blockds of a culture. You have faileds to demoinstrate that a homosexual relationship is less so than any other.
Families are the building blocks of a culture. When those building blocks are founded on the faulty principle that homosexuality is good and profitable - it is a matter of time before cracks appear in the wall.
Forty to 50% of STRAIGHT American marriages end in divorce.
But don't let that little chuck of the truth prevent you from complaining about homosexuals. I know how much conservative Christians love to talk about homosexuality.
Relationships are the building blockds of a culture. You have faileds to demoinstrate that a homosexual relationship is less so than any other.
What did God design in the manner of relationships and child bearing? Male, female, producing children raised by that particular male and female. That's the design. That has the highest probability of being successful.
Homosexuality, God calls an abomination. It is forbidden in the law He made. Being that He designed us, why would a large volume of this behavior result in a positive outcome on a large scale?
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