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Old 09-28-2015, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I guess this means the pope and Catholics can be added to the long list of "hateful, bigoted book worshipping Christian fundies".

Govt. workers have right to refuse gay marriage licenses: pope | Reuters

Pope Francis said on Monday government officials have a "human right" to refuse to discharge a duty, such as issuing marriage licenses to homosexuals, if they feel it violates their conscience.

"Conscientious objection must enter into every juridical structure because it is a right," Francis said.

I can say that conscientious objection is a right that is a part of every human right," he said, speaking in Italian. "And if someone does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right," he added.

Francis said conscientious objection had to be respected in legal structures. "Otherwise we would end up in a situation where we select what is a right, saying: 'This right has merit, this one does not.'"

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Old 09-28-2015, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Absolutely.

And when they refuse to do their job and are useless in their position, fire them.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 07:15 AM
 
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Rubbish. It is the job of a city clerk for fulfill the legal needs for marriage, not make policy decisions.

If that clerk feels he or she cannot do the job in good conscience, he or she needs to resign the job. It's really that simple.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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The Pope has every right to enforce that opinion at the Vatican. Everywhere else, not at all.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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You can be a conscientious objector, but that does not guarantee that you will get to keep getting paid to do the job that you are refusing to do.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 07:55 AM
 
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You can be a conscientious objector, but that does not guarantee that you will get to keep getting paid to do the job that you are refusing to do.
Yep. One would have to be the village idiot to not see how this kind of nonsense can spiral out of control. Restaurants getting denied a liquor license, remarriages after divorces, business licenses on Sunday, you name it.

Your religious rights end every morning at 8 a.m. when you cross the threshold of the county courthouse and sit down at your desk. You may pick them back up when you leave every day at 5 p.m.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Somewhere
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He believes in a mythological being he calls god.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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You can be a conscientious objector, but that does not guarantee that you will get to keep getting paid to do the job that you are refusing to do.
This. Conscientious objectors SHOULD stand for what they believe.

But they should also know there is often a price to be paid. During Vietnam some conscientious objectors to the draft went to prison*. They understood going it that was a possibility. They appealed to the judicial system just as Ms. Davis did. In this country CO's have that right. If someone like Ms. Davis is a CO she needs to pull up her big girl pants and realize there are ramifications for her beliefs. Which can include jail or job loss. Being a conscientious objector does not mean you get to dictate the rules and everyone has to kowtow to your beliefs.



*During Vietnam the CO's were called commie pinko draft dodgers by the far-right fundamentalists. The same people who think Ms. Davis is the bee's knees.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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The Pope is right on a lot of things, and very wrong on others. The Catholic Church is still very anti-gay, anti-gay parenting, and wrong on things like birth control, the role of women in the church, and not allowing priests to marry.

My Presbyterian church has many ex-Catholics. They like the liturgy, minus the guilt and dogma.
 
Old 09-28-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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This just in: Kim Davis has become a Nun.
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