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Being that Jesus is the truth ... being that Jesus is sinless ... being that Jesus is The Word ... being that Jesus is The Messiah .... then anyone who entertains any conclusion other than Jesus' judgement towards Satan is in error.
Therefore both of these are lies
1) Genesis 3:4, "You certainly will not die."
2) Luke 4:6-7", " ““I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
Does that mean that Adam and Eve are truly dead or are they alive in a spirit form?
Satan said that the authority over the nations was given to him and he can give that authority to whomever he wanted. Does Satan not have the authority over the world's nations? If he doesn't then was Jesus lying too when Jesus said, 'now the ruler of this world will be cast out.' (John 12:31) Isn't the ruler that Jesus speaks of being cast out Satan and in harmony with Luke 4:6,7? If so then Satan was truthful in Luke 4:6, 7.
Does that mean that Adam and Eve are truly dead or are they alive in a spirit form?
Absolutely,
Adam, is the spirit of man, and Eve is the soul of man
It is through the seed of the serpent sentenced to "eat dust all of his days" Satan is continually destroying the person with a slow death all the days of their life. This unclean seed that is responsible for all sickness and death lives within the spirit and soul of man that has given Satan control over the World of the unclean. He is not supposed to have dominion over Christians but because Christians have not been taught the truth he still manages to trip them up and keep them from the fullness of their inheritance they could have in this life
Technically speaking, when we go to the cross Adam in us dies while the new "us" are resurrected through Christ who is a Holy seed and without sin. However, Eve who was also in the transgression who through the same seed of the serpent lives on in the soul (mind, will and emotions) of man continuing to try to over the individual.
Because Adam and Eve became "one flesh," her mind is just as sinful as Adam's who was not deceived and sinned deliberately against God. This "seed of the serpent who through Eve still lives on in Christians even after they have been to the cross, is the messenger of Satan AKA Paul's thorn in his flesh for the purpose of tempting him to sin that Paul spoke of in 2nd Corr 12.
Adam, is the spirit of man, and Eve is the soul of man
It is through the seed of the serpent sentenced to "eat dust all of his days" Satan is continually destroying the person with a slow death all the days of their life. This unclean seed that is responsible for all sickness and death lives within the spirit and soul of man that has given Satan control over the World of the unclean. He is not supposed to have dominion over Christians but because Christians have not been taught the truth he still manages to trip them up and keep them from the fullness of their inheritance they could have in this life
Technically speaking, when we go to the cross Adam in us dies while the new "us" are resurrected through Christ who is a Holy seed and without sin. However, Eve who was also in the transgression who through the same seed of the serpent lives on in the soul (mind, will and emotions) of man continuing to try to over the individual.
Because Adam and Eve became "one flesh," her mind is just as sinful as Adam's who was not deceived and sinned deliberately against God. This "seed of the serpent who through Eve still lives on in Christians even after they have been to the cross, is the messenger of Satan AKA Paul's thorn in his flesh for the purpose of tempting him to sin that Paul spoke of in 2nd Corr 12.
If Adam and Eve are alive then Genesis 3:4, "You certainly will not die." is true, then why does the Bible say that Eve was deceived? 1 Tim 2:14 "the woman was thoroughly deceived". Doesn't this mean, according to the Bible that Satan lied when he said, 'you certainly will not die'?
"But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” - Gen 3:3
Was God the liar? Did God deceive A&E?
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Ahhh...So Jesus was NOT the Jewish Messiah after all, he was the Zoroastrian Messiah...
In Zoroastrian tradition a descendant of Zoroaster would be born 1,000 years after the time of Zoroaster, and this coming messiah would redeem the world at the end of days. This was a popularly held belief throughout the Mediterranean world at the time of Jesus, and widely believed in. The coming messiah would sit the right hand of Ahura Mazda on Judgement Day to cast the wicked down into the flaming pits of perdition, and to deem the righteous worthy of entering into heaven. These were not Jewish religious beliefs at all. They were derived form Persian beliefs. The faction of the Jewish population as represented by the Sadducees denied such beliefs, on the basis that no such claims were found in the Torah. The faction that was represented by the Persian influenced Pharisees accepted all of these beliefs as valid, and more.
Acts 23:
[8] For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
If Adam and Eve are alive then Genesis 3:4, "You certainly will not die." is true, then why does the Bible say that Eve was deceived? 1 Tim 2:14 "the woman was thoroughly deceived". Doesn't this mean, according to the Bible that Satan lied when he said, 'you certainly will not die'?
"But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” - Gen 3:3
Was God the liar? Did God deceive A&E?
On one hand there was a spiritual death when because of their unrighteousness they were separated from the righteousness of God they had when they were "one spirit and one mind" with their creator......... yet their physical bodies continued on through receiving life from the spirit of man that is a source of life albeit one already under a sentence of death because of the sin within the seed of the serpent in all of mankind from when Satan was given dominion over man because when Adam sinned he chose to follow after Satan instead of God. We are all born with this unclean spirit within us and is why we need a savior. As we mature the "woman" AKA Eve who came from Adam (the spirit of man) comes forth in us as she continues to display the persona of the spirit she came from through the mind, will and emotions seen coming from the individual.
Both the spirit and soul of man have sin that is a noun living within them that given the opportunity will produce a verb of sin that is a transgression of the Law of God
The opposite of this is the faith coming from Christ the seed in us that is the Holy Spirit given to us that if fed the truth will bring forth the mind of Christ that given the opportunity will produce an verb that as an act of faith that may mirror the works of Christ while He was on earth
The unclean spirit of man will bring forth an unclean mind of man
The Holy Spirit if fed the truth will bring forth the mind of Christ
It is when a person given the Holy Spirit yields to the unclean mind of man still in them is the age old fulfillment of the prophecy of the "sons of God marrying the daughters of man"and bringing forth "giants in the land".......... that are the heresies in the church of man being taught around the world for the last 1900 years
On one hand there was a spiritual death when because of their unrighteousness they were separated from the righteousness of God they had when they were "one spirit and one mind" with their creator......... yet their physical bodies continued on through receiving life from the spirit of man that is a source of life albeit one already under a sentence of death because of the sin within the seed of the serpent in all of mankind from when Satan was given dominion over man because when Adam sinned he chose to follow after Satan instead of God. We are all born with this unclean spirit within us and is why we need a savior. As we mature the "woman" AKA Eve who came from Adam (the spirit of man) comes forth in us as she continues to display the persona of the spirit she came from through the mind, will and emotions seen coming from the individual.
Both the spirit and soul of man have sin that is a noun living within them that given the opportunity will produce a verb of sin that is a transgression of the Law of God
The opposite of this is the faith coming from Christ the seed in us that is the Holy Spirit given to us that if fed the truth will bring forth the mind of Christ that given the opportunity will produce an verb that as an act of faith that may mirror the works of Christ while He was on earth
The unclean spirit of man will bring forth an unclean mind of man
The Holy Spirit if fed the truth will bring forth the mind of Christ
It is when a person given the Holy Spirit yields to the unclean mind of man still in them is the age old fulfillment of the prophecy of the "sons of God marrying the daughters of man"and bringing forth "giants in the land".......... that are the heresies in the church of man being taught around the world for the last 1900 years
Hummmm didn't really get an answer to the question. Was God the Liar or was Satan the liar?
Being that Jesus is the truth ... being that Jesus is sinless ... being that Jesus is The Word ... being that Jesus is The Messiah .... then anyone who entertains any conclusion other than Jesus' judgement towards Satan is in error.
Therefore both of these are lies
1) Genesis 3:4, "You certainly will not die."
2) Luke 4:6-7", " ““I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
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Originally Posted by 2Timothy316
Does that mean that Adam and Eve are truly dead or are they alive in a spirit form?
Satan said that the authority over the nations was given to him and he can give that authority to whomever he wanted. Does Satan not have the authority over the world's nations? If he doesn't then was Jesus lying too when Jesus said, 'now the ruler of this world will be cast out.' (John 12:31) Isn't the ruler that Jesus speaks of being cast out Satan and in harmony with Luke 4:6,7? If so then Satan was truthful in Luke 4:6, 7.
Not sure if you quite understand what these absolutes are claiming:
1) being that Jesus is the truth ...
2) being that Jesus is sinless ...
3) being that Jesus is The Word ...
4) being that Jesus is The Messiah ....
and to add
5) being Jesus is Immanuel ......
means then anyone who entertains any conclusion \ rationalizations other than Jesus' judgement towards Satan is in error or worse.
Does that mean that Adam and Eve are truly dead or are they alive in a spirit form?
Satan said that the authority over the nations was given to him and he can give that authority to whomever he wanted. Does Satan not have the authority over the world's nations? If he doesn't then was Jesus lying too when Jesus said, 'now the ruler of this world will be cast out.' (John 12:31) Isn't the ruler that Jesus speaks of being cast out Satan and in harmony with Luke 4:6,7? If so then Satan was truthful in Luke 4:6, 7.
Luke 4:6-7", “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
There are a few things that I notice about this quote that puzzles me. First of all, this quote, attributed to Jesus himself, is found in the Gospel According to Luke. Luke says that Jesus said this, but Jesus himself wrote NOTHING, and the author of Luke never met Jesus. Furthermore this quote is attributed to Jesus while he was entirely alone in the desert. SO WHO RECORDED IT?
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