What does 1 Cor 5 mean to Christians here ? (hell, priests, pastors)
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There are two kinds of kids in youth groups, those who want to be there, and those who are told to be there. It is often those who are told to be there who bring the drugs and other issues and sometimes lead others astray.
That's how it has been in my experience, the ones they Mama makes them come, and sometimes they might like a girl and go.
Isn't there a difference between being in one's midst and associating ?
So, it isn't a literal bodily removal, but simply Not associating until one is repenting.
The first-century Christian congregation did Not have ' youth groups '
There is No precedent in Scripture for any ' youth-type' group.
Most Christian parents believe it is their duty to raise their kids up as Christians and the youth groups exist to assist in the process. However kids are kids, and not all of them are interested, and some attend only because their parents tell them to.
"Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord."
As I explained Pleroo earlier, certain sins like adultery can cause division in church when the cheater and the suppose are members. Also, with new believers it can cause confusion when they read the Bible and learn about the will/desire of God regarding our behavior, and at the same time they see members of the congregation live in willful and habitual sin and the church condones it.
I was in a church where the preacher had slept with many women in the church and one got pregnant, we later found out that he had been keeping a woman in a hotel for about a year. I wouldn't have believed it for the world even after my sister told me that he tried to have sex with her, I even doubted my sister, I thought maybe she had misunderstood, and then I was witnessing and I got this young girl to come to church and the pastor wanted to talk with her about something and she told me that she went running and screaming out of his office and I called her a name.
But it was all true what he was doing, you talk about a split, everyone who found out just left, a woman had given preacher 3 million dollars and he owned the church, he just kept losing members and building them back up until he came to a gruesome terrible end.
Everyone who knew about him said it was punishment but I wouldn't have wished that on anyone. Everybody had a laugh or they felt justified somehow.
I was in a church where the preacher had slept with many women in the church and one got pregnant, we later found out that he had been keeping a woman in a hotel for about a year. I wouldn't have believed it for the world even after my sister told me that he tried to have sex with her, I even doubted my sister, I thought maybe she had misunderstood, and then I was witnessing and I got this young girl to come to church and the pastor wanted to talk with her about something and she told me that she went running and screaming out of his office and I called her a name.
But it was all true what he was doing, you talk about a split, everyone who found out just left, a woman had given preacher 3 million dollars and he owned the church, he just kept losing members and building them back up until he came to a gruesome terrible end.
Everyone who knew about him said it was punishment but I wouldn't have wished that on anyone. Everybody had a laugh or they felt justified somehow.
Preachers are not without sin, just like the rest of us. Many of them are very outgoing, energetic and funny with type-A personalities and many women are attracted to such men. Some are unable to resist the temptation, and fail. I also know one who was unable to resist the temptation, and had to face the consequences when his actions were exposed.
Different people have different temptations. I do not look like Tom Cruise, I do not talk like Jerry Seinfeld, and I am not rich, so pretty women do not throw themselves at me, so staying faithful to my wife is easy. I like to think I would be able to resist even if they did, but the point is that the tempter knows our weaknesses and will exploit the weak spots. No one is perfect, and no one is without sin.
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It's got nothing to do with whether you're a pretty funny rich boy. You're bible says that if YOU look upon a woman to lust after her you have committed adultery with her. Now if that is true, most of you're congregation will have to be excommunicated too.
By the way Jesus said the above for all the hypocrites who stand in unrighteous judgement towards those that have been unfaithful .
You know, I've been rethinking that. We have had a regulat attender who is both homeless and an alcoholic and I always try to make him welcome.
Back in the UK there was a man who attended the meetings I went to, he was an alcoholic , had a great mind and a great musician, became a good friend and I'd go and have a pint with him on the odd occasion. Well known character in my home town.
Funny story about him, he lived in a block of apartments opposite me. I came home from my local bar one afternoon and I hear "Get Back" by the Beatles blaring out, I look up and there's my friend on top of the apartments replicating the Beatles roof top version of the song. Them days the cell phones had no cameras, I wish they had.
Preachers are not without sin, just like the rest of us. Many of them are very outgoing, energetic and funny with type-A personalities and many women are attracted to such men. Some are unable to resist the temptation, and fail. I also know one who was unable to resist the temptation, and had to face the consequences when his actions were exposed.
Different people have different temptations. I do not look like Tom Cruise, I do not talk like Jerry Seinfeld, and I am not rich, so pretty women do not throw themselves at me, so staying faithful to my wife is easy. I like to think I would be able to resist even if they did, but the point is that the tempter knows our weaknesses and will exploit the weak spots. No one is perfect, and no one is without sin.
I am a man with sin and I know that every man deals with sin but that aint no excuse for that preacher ruining so many lives and using our money for his bad habits, sleeping with married women, with teenagers and actually ran off women who wouldn't sleep with him, in fact, I seriously doubt that he ever believed in God.
My mother stood up and made a speech one Sunday morn and 70 of us got up and walked out and I hated God for a long time after that just like many of us did. Went back to old habits and was so disgusted that I never looked at preachers the same, and maybe that is my bad but I hold most of them in contempt.
That preacher's daughter married a big monster of a man and when he found out a lot of things he didn't know, he went on a machete rampage and killed preacher's wife, daughter and would have killed preacher but he got caught before he found him and preacher had a break down and was barely even a man after that.
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