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You are forgiven only on the condition that Jesus dies for your sins AND that you believe it...Otherwise............?
How is this unconditional?...
If that be true, then why does God make promises to the gentiles who would spend their time and money helping and blessing Jews that don't even believe in Jesus and as Joseph was rejected by all his brethren, their rejection had saved the world and as Romans explains, that if their rejection of Christ is salvation to the world then what else will they inherit but life?
Joseph said their rejection was meant to be and otherwise, the world would not have been saved because Joseph would not have been thrown into a pit and sold into the gentile nations where he became a ruler that saved the whole world.
I certainly know by the prophets that Judah will be redeemed solely by who they are and they are the biggest rejecters of Christ in history and yet the world is to gather the wealth of the world to sit at the feet of these people who don't even believe in Christ.
If a Gentile wants to become a priest chosen by God so that he can obtain an anointing offered by God, he should go and find a needy Jew and become a servant and if that Jew wants to return, the gentile will pay his way and make every effort to help him return and by helping a person who doesn't even believe in Christ, a gentile is given the greatest gift anyone could obtain just because he helped an unbeliever.
Christ himself says that you could speak against the son of man{him} and then be forgiven but you would not be forgiven if you blaspheme the Holy spirit whatever that means.
Christ says you can even decide not to keep the laws of Moses and you can even teach others not to keep the law and STILL be in the kingdom of heaven.
If that be true, then why does God make promises to the gentiles who would spend their time and money helping and blessing Jews that don't even believe in Jesus and as Joseph was rejected by all his brethren, their rejection had saved the world and as Romans explains, that if their rejection of Christ is salvation to the world then what else will they inherit but life?
Joseph said their rejection was meant to be and otherwise, the world would not have been saved because Joseph would not have been thrown into a pit and sold into the gentile nations where he became a ruler that saved the whole world.
I certainly know by the prophets that Judah will be redeemed solely by who they are and they are the biggest rejecters of Christ in history and yet the world is to gather the wealth of the world to sit at the feet of these people who don't even believe in Christ.
If a Gentile wants to become a priest chosen by God so that he can obtain an anointing offered by God, he should go and find a needy Jew and become a servant and if that Jew wants to return, the gentile will pay his way and make every effort to help him return and by helping a person who doesn't even believe in Christ, a gentile is given the greatest gift anyone could obtain just because he helped an unbeliever.
Christ himself says that you could speak against the son of man{him} and then be forgiven but you would not be forgiven if you blaspheme the Holy spirit whatever that means.
Christ says you can even decide not to keep the laws of Moses and you can even teach others not to keep the law and STILL be in the kingdom of heaven.
Joseph's actions did not save the world at all...It merely saved Israel...
Joseph's actions did not save the world at all...It merely saved Israel...
Wasn't the entire region gripped in famine and drought for 7 years? As the known world went then, it was a salvation to the world and that's why the sons of Jacob traveled so far just to buy grain. It saved all the Egyptians and as far as I am concerned, this is like the whole world.
Bless Egypt my people, bless Assyria the work of my hands and bless Israel mine inheritance like 3 kinds of people and they all come from Egypt.
When Christ's name is used, we must ask which Jesus are they making reference to?
The American society increasingly is made up of people who want a God who is diametrically opposed to the Christ who is described in scripture – A Christ who gave up the wealth, power and prestige that was rightly His and, as it says in Philippians chapter two, humbled Himself, making Himself of no reputation, taking on the status of a slave and being willing to endure the degradation of crucifixion. With a people who put wealth, power and prestige at the top of their list of aspirations, their God is likely to embody those traits instead of what we find in Jesus.
I'm afraid you're about to receive a rep point from Vizio. He loves to tell me that I worship the "wrong" Jesus, just because I see Him differently than he (Viz) does.
Wasn't the entire region gripped in famine and drought for 7 years? As the known world went then, it was a salvation to the world and that's why the sons of Jacob traveled so far just to buy grain. It saved all the Egyptians and as far as I am concerned, this is like the whole world.
Bless Egypt my people, bless Assyria the work of my hands and bless Israel mine inheritance like 3 kinds of people and they all come from Egypt.
What do you mean? All the Egyptians sold all their land and everything they were into servitude rather than to starve to death and if it was that bad beside the Nile, it must have been a pretty bad 7 years.
What do you mean? All the Egyptians sold all their land and everything they were into servitude rather than to starve to death and if it was that bad beside the Nile, it must have been a pretty bad 7 years.
No, that 7 years had to do with Israel because Joseph at that time was in charge of Egypt when his brothers came down there because Egypt had plenty because of Joseph....It was all to save G-d's chosen people...Not the whole world...
No, that 7 years had to do with Israel because Joseph at that time was in charge of Egypt when his brothers came down there because Egypt had plenty because of Joseph....It was all to save G-d's chosen people...Not the whole world...
I'm afraid you're about to receive a rep point from Vizio. He loves to tell me that I worship the "wrong" Jesus, just because I see Him differently than he (Viz) does.
Of course there are those whose reality include the ONLY Jesus. It would be impossible for some to see beyond the Jesus in a box and acknowledge Jesus as a way of life and not a preconceived one-dimensional idol created between the covers of an ancient book.
When Christ's name is used, we must ask which Jesus are they making reference to?
The American society increasingly is made up of people who want a God who is diametrically opposed to the Christ who is described in scripture – A Christ who gave up the wealth, power and prestige that was rightly His and, as it says in Philippians chapter two, humbled Himself, making Himself of no reputation, taking on the status of a slave and being willing to endure the degradation of crucifixion. With a people who put wealth, power and prestige at the top of their list of aspirations, their God is likely to embody those traits instead of what we find in Jesus.
I absolutely agree that we must ask "Which Jesus". Many people on here are willing to claim that anyone that mentions Jesus' name is a Christian. But WHICH Jesus is important.
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He loves to tell me that I worship the "wrong" Jesus, just because I see Him differently than he (Viz) does.
