All Does Not Mean All (lordship, hell, church, preaching)

[Birdy_56]

The New Radical Unbelief Bible

1 Cor. 15:22

"For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power."

Rev. 5:13

"And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power forever."

Col. 1:18-20

"He too is that head whose body is the Church, the Firstborn from the dead, he is to the Church the Source of its life, that in some things He might occupy the foremost place/ to be in some things alone supreme. For it pleased the Father that in him the divine nature in some of its fulness should dwell. And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by him to reconcile some things unto Himself; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven. And you that were sometimes alienated..."

Acts 3:20,21

"And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of some things. (when some things are put right)"

1 Cor. 15:28

"And when some things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put some things under Him, that God may be some in some."

1 Cor. 15:25,27

"For He must reign until He hath put some enemies under His feet...For He hath put some things under His feet. But when He saith some things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put some things under Him."

Romans 11:32

"For God has consigned some men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon some."

Eph. 4:10

"Yea, He who came down is the same who is gone up, far above some heavens, that He might fill some things with His Presence."

John 5:28

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which some that are in the graves shall hear His voice. Those who have done good will to live and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."

1 Timothy 2:4

"For this is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; who will have some men to be saved and come to an increasing knowledge of the truth."

1 Timothy 2:6

"For there is one intermediary (One who brings God and men together) who gave Himself a ransom in behalf of some to be testified in due time."

Cor. 5:15

"For the love of God overmasters us because we judge that if one died for some, then were some dead; And that His purpose in dying for some was that men, while still in life, should cease to live for themselves, and should live for Him who for their sake died and was raised to life."

Col. 1:16

"For by Him were some things created, of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen (angels or archangels and some of the powers of Heaven)....some things were created by Him, and for Him (some were made by Christ for His own use and glory.)

John 3:35

"The Father loves the Son, and has given some things into His hand (has given Him control over less than everything). Whoever trusts on the Son possesses eternal life and he who does not obey the Son, God's displeasure hangs over him continually."

Gal. 3:20

"But the Scripture has concluded/consigned some without exception to the custody of sin, in order that the promise by faith in Christ Jesus might be given to those who believe in Him."

Heb. 1:2

"God...hath in these days spoken unto us in His Son who is the predestined Lord of the universe. (whom he has appointed heir of some things)"

2 Cor. 5:14

"For the love of Christ constraineth/overmasters/compels/controls us, and this is the conviction we have reached; if one man died on behalf of some, then some thereby became dead men. Christ died for some, so that being alive should no longer mean living with our own life, but with his life who died for some of us and has risen again."

Heb.8:11

"And they shall not teach some men his neighbor, and some his brother, saying get to know the Lord, for some of them shall know me from small to great. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness..."

Acts 10:36

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: He is Lord of some.

Rom. 11:36

"For from him some things come; through Him some things exists; and in him some things end." (For of him and through him, and to him are some things.)

Eph. 4:6

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of some, who is over some, and works through some, and dwells in some."

Heb. 12:23

"To the festal gathering and Church of the first-born, enrolled as citizens in heaven, and to God the Judge of some men and unto the spirits of righteous ones made perfect."

James 2:10

"For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating some."

Romans 3:22,23

"..the righteous of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. ...For some have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour."

John 17:2

"As thou has made him sovereign over some of mankind that he should give aeonios life to as many as thou hast given him."

Romans 9:5

"The patriarchs are theirs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. May God who is supreme above some, be blessed throughout the ages."

2 Peter 3:9

"The Lord is not slack/does not loiter/ is not dilatory concerning his promise, according to some people's conception of slowness; but He bears patiently with you, because it is not His will for any to be lost, but for some to come/reach repentance."

Phil. 2:10,11

In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus some knees will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be open and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by some beings in the heavens, by some beings on the earth and by some beings in the underworld.

Please Remember...

All does not radically mean all.

Whole is not whole.

All = Some

[JViello]

Huh?

[CelticLady1]

Originally Posted by JViello

Huh?

Too early in the morning, right? When you've had that third cup of coffee, go back and read those verses again, both in a Bible, and the way that Birdy wrote them, with a little twist. If I am understanding the post correctly, Birdy simply inserted the word "some" for the word "all", to illustrate just how peculiar these passages would read, if they were actually written this way. It interesting to see scripture put in such a fashion that show just exactly how most Christians look at God's plan of salvation, which is, that apparently he is going to be relatively unsuccessful, in his "salvage attempt". Somehow, the idea that God will manage to save a mere handful of folks, while the rest are S.O.L., just doesn't strike some of us as overwhelmingly triumphant and victorious.

[JViello]

It's a flawed logic to replace words...I think they call this "spin" in the political world.

It's a red herring.

I guess these folks were from mars and not earthly humans then:

Mat 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Paul was also hallucenating when he wrote that there is an actual "number" of the "saved":

Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

I'm fully expecting 1400 pages of commentary and "man's writings" to follow up this post to "dispel" the scriptures as they are actually written.

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by JViello

the scriptures as they are actually written.

It is so clear! The Scriptures as they are actually written....

gnwrisaV hmin to musthrion tou qelhmatoV autou kata thn eudokian autou hn proeqeto en autw

[JViello]

Why are you using my screenshot of Jude 1:7 in this thread?

[Dave1215]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

It is so clear! The Scriptures as they are actually written....

gnwrisaV hmin to musthrion tou qelhmatoV autou kata thn eudokian autou hn proeqeto en autw

I just love Paul and the book of Ephisians in the orignial languages.

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by Dave1215

I just love Paul 's writings in the orignial languages.

I love the entire Old and New Covenants in the original languages. It makes things much more clear!

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by CelticLady1

Too early in the morning, right? When you've had that third cup of coffee, go back and read those verses again, both in a Bible, and the way that Birdy wrote them, with a little twist. If I am understanding the post correctly, Birdy simply inserted the word "some" for the word "all", to illustrate just how peculiar these passages would read, if they were actually written this way. It interesting to see scripture put in such a fashion that show just exactly how most Christians look at God's plan of salvation, which is, that apparently he is going to be relatively unsuccessful, in his "salvage attempt". Somehow, the idea that God will manage to save a mere handful of folks, while the rest are S.O.L., just doesn't strike some of us as overwhelmingly triumphant and victorious.

Well, I hope the OP will take the time to rewrite other scripture as well.

Like say John 1:12 or Matt 16:24. How about John 3:16 and all the teachings on Hell would have to be rewritten as well.

Sad sad sad

Rewriting scripture to make an illegitimate argument probably hurts Birdy's position on what Birdy and you consider a plan that "doesn't strike some of us as overwhelmingly triumphant and victorious."

I'm sure God, in His infinite wisdom and sovereignty, really isn't concerned about how His actions 'strike some of us'. Approaching scripture with an "If I were God" attitude will always skew how the scriptures are received. And 'if I were God' this place would be a big mess!

[cg81]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

Please Remember...

All does not radically mean all.

Whole is not whole.

All = Some

If you wouldn't have taken the verses out of context to prove your point, I probably would agree with you.