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Old 09-05-2016, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That pain and suffering appeases a wrathful God. Because he demands a penalty for your sin?
Those are your words, not mine.

It sounds like you saying that you heard about His death, but you're not buying it.
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Old 09-05-2016, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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But what you take from it is not necessarily from the Spirit.
As an example, you believe in eternal torment - do you not?
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Those are your words, not mine.

It sounds like you saying that you heard about His death, but you're not buying it.
Answer the question, Finn.
And stop, side-stepping.
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Old 09-05-2016, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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What did I take from your admission?
No, Finn, what do you take from the story of Jesus' death?
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Old 09-05-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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You are believing contrary to the scripture you quoted. The scripture you quoted states we are healed....What are you healed from ? if sin, then why are you still calling yourself a sinner ?.
I believe scripture as a whole. Christians are redeemed, healed from the "disease" and penalty of sin.


Eph. 2


11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision†by the so-called “Circumcision,†which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
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Old 09-05-2016, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Just so difficult to get past the verses claiming NO ONE CAN DIE for another's sin..rather odd that your god of the OT would say numerous times EACH PERSON DIES FOR THEIR OWN SIN and that no one dies for the sins of another or the sins of the parents are NOT inherited by the children.
You've been given this answer before. Wondering why you believe this particular scripture, but dismiss so many others.


Jesus committed no sin himself. This is how God, abiding by the rules of human existence which he set forth, saved others by his sacrifice, and because he was God, and not merely a man, his sacrifice was so vast, that it could save everyone willing to be saved.
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Old 09-05-2016, 02:31 PM
 
Location: New England
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I believe scripture as a whole. Christians are redeemed, healed from the "disease" and penalty of sin.


Eph. 2


11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision†by the so-called “Circumcision,†which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
No, you believe the well packaged deceptive packaged message of evangelical fundamentalism. The person to whom Jesus said your sins are forgiven go in peace, were they forgiven there and then or not without any sacrifice ?.
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Old 09-05-2016, 02:59 PM
 
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You've been given this answer before. Wondering why you believe this particular scripture, but dismiss so many others.


Jesus committed no sin himself. This is how God, abiding by the rules of human existence which he set forth, saved others by his sacrifice, and because he was God, and not merely a man, his sacrifice was so vast, that it could save everyone willing to be saved.
Wondering why you do not believe in this particular scripture but do accept the rest??

Perhaps is really is a case of some scripture making sense and others do not?
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Old 09-05-2016, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Answer the question, Finn.And stop, side-stepping.
Yes, I believe what Jesus taught about after-life, and the Spirit confirms it.

The point has been how people heard about His death, and either people have refused to answer, or they claim it is not important. You seem to be saying that you heard about it, but it is either not important, or not even true.
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Old 09-05-2016, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No, Finn, what do you take from the story of Jesus' death?
Why ask, when everyone already knows I believe He died for our sins, and it was done according to God's plan.

It is somewhat ironic that you demand answers while refusing to answer any yourself How did you learn about His death, and do you consider it an important event? How many times do I have to ask?
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Old 09-05-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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No, you believe the well packaged deceptive packaged message of evangelical fundamentalism. The person to whom Jesus said your sins are forgiven go in peace, were they forgiven there and then or not without any sacrifice ?.

You err in not understanding that the One who was standing there speaking only what He heard His Father speak, was not Jesus the son of man, but the Christ Seed son of G-d, who was slain from the foundation of the world, already, and the Father, who was IN CHRIST reconciling all men unto Him. Yet it PLEASED THE FATHER, that He bruise Him for ALL MEN IN ALL AGES to see and understand via the cross. Which is why it's foolishness to them that perish. Peace
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