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Hate the sin, love the sinner. Just another baseless Christian cliché.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
Many cliché, including this one have a kernel of truth.
Perhaps. But this one does not. According to the Bible everyone is a 'sinner'. Simply having human traits and not worshiping God appears to be 'a sin'. Who then has the authority to sit atop a pedestal of piety where they can actually 'hate the sins' of others? To label someone a “sinner” reveals an “us vs. them” mentality, where you are the “righteous” person looking down your nose at the poor, wretched, ignorant “sinners” down below who just cannot get their act together. If only they would listen to what you tell them to do . . .!
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Originally Posted by RomulusXXV
Moreover, God does not condemn homosexuality. If anyone does condemn homosexuality, it's the human authors of the Bible. And, I don't believe they do either when we understand the context of those so-called "clobber texts".
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
The Bible, which was ALL inspired by God, does condemn homosexual acts, not homosexuals.
Are we to take your word that ALL the Bible was inspired by God? You don't know this, you've been taught this by others who also don't know. Or, does the Bible itself state that it is "God-inspired" as in circular reasoning? I don't know. Perhaps the Bible IS God-inspired. But you don't know this. You simply believe that it is.
That said, it seems we're back to the 'hate the sin, love the sinner' cliché. Moreover, before you can state that "God" condemns homosexual acts per se we first need to determine where any such texts are found in scripture that do not allude to practices affiliated with idolatry and temple prostitution.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
If you don't believe what I just said, that is not my problem. I am not here to convince anyone. I am here to discuss what I believe and why I believe it.
Let me tell you up front that I generally don't accept what someone tells me unless I have actual proof to back it up. What you might tell me is rather immaterial. You're here saying that the Bible says this and that about homosexuality and I'm saying that it does not. And yes, I have read the Bible and have actually spent a great deal of time studying and discussing those very same Bible texts that you claim condemns homosexuality. I say that they do not.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
You have no evidence that the authors of the Bible were humans. You believe it because what it says, goes against your personal theology.
You don't believe that the authors of the Bible were actually humans? Okay.
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Originally Posted by RomulusXXV
Well, what word would you prefer for someone who waves a religious book around condemning someone else simply for being who they are?
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
They are not following what God says we should do---love you neighbor. What word would you prefer for someone spouting their ignorance about God and the Bible, showing their bigotry?
Who is spouting their ignorance about God and the Bible? On the contrary, I'm pretty well read on the Bible and I'm always willing to discuss God and the Bible when it comes to this particular topic.
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Originally Posted by RomulusXXV
I'm calling you out on this. Where in the 'Holy Book' do we find the text, "homosexuality is a sin" . . .? In fact, where in the 'Holy Book' do we even find the term "homosexual" . . .?
Good luck with your answers.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
I can easily show you but you will not believe it, so what purpose would it serve? Tell me you will believe what the Bible says, and I will gladly post the references, there is more than one.
I'm always open to discussion. Tell me, where does "God" ever state, "homosexuality is a sin" and where is the actual term "homosexuality" even found in the Bible?
That would be correct - a true Godfather offer.
Amen, Dew! Like God we are supposed to love everyone, even those we think are our enemies.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
Read it again. I did not say God want man to love Him. I said God want.s man to love. Of course God wants man to love Him also. God wants man to love everybody. If he did, there would be no more war, murder, stealing, rape, etc. Wouldn't that be a nice place to live.
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
I never thought about that distinction before. I like it. Peace
That is because you are focused on laws and obedience and missed the central message of Christ - agape love for everyone.
I never thought about that distinction before. I like it. Peace
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
That is because you are focused on laws and obedience and missed the central message of Christ - agape love for everyone.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
How could you not, think about it?
It should be first and foremost.
He does not KNOW the Spirit, Jer. Remember, he can't even describe the Spirit he follows.
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
Nah, I just obey the Spirit AND the word, the two witnesses. Peace
You cannot obey a Spirit you do not KNOW. To borrow from Trout Dude, "The Spirit you heed probably hisses when he speaks."
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