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There are several designations for the two forms of the Nicene creed, some with overlapping meanings.
Nicene Creed or the Creed of Nicaea is used to refer to the original version adopted at the First Council of Nicaea (325), to the revised version adopted by the First Council of Constantinople (381), to the Latin version that includes the phrase "Deum de Deo" and "Filioque",[9] and to the Armenian version, which does not include "and from the Son", but does include "God from God" and many other phrases.[10]
Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed can stand for the revised version of Constantinople (381) or the later Latin version[11] or various other versions.[12]
Icon/Symbol of the Faith is the usual designation for the revised version of Constantinople 381 in the Orthodox churches, where this is the only creed used in the liturgy.
Profession of Faith of the 318 Fathers refers specifically to the version of Nicaea 325 (traditionally, 318 bishops took part at the First Council of Nicaea).
Profession of Faith of the 150 Fathers refers specifically to the version of Constantinople 381 (traditionally, 150 bishops took part at the First Council of Constantinople).
Original Nicene Creed of 325
Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed
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I'm referring to the original version of the Nicene Creed of A.D. 325. I would have thought that was pretty clear since I gave the date several times and posted the creed itself.
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His opinion in posts 4 and 5 about what he thinks Christianity should be is off topic. It's that simple. I posted this thread to demonstrate that the Nicene Creed is based on what the Bible says. If you people can't stay on that topic then please stay off the thread.
I respect that Mike555.
Perhaps the suggested opinions should be meted out in a thread with a more historical atmosphere.
This thread is not about whether the Mosaic law is or should be a part of Christianity or whether Christians should keep the Jewish holy days. Keep that discussion off of this thread.
The Nicene Creed, as has been shown, is based on what the Bible teaches. That fact is the very reason why this thread was posted. The appropriate scripture backing up the various statements in the Nicene Creed have been posted.
Interestingly you brought up Mosaic law.
Isn't that where the word and idea of Council derives from?
This thread is not about whether the Mosaic law is or should be a part of Christianity or whether Christians should keep the Jewish holy days. Keep that discussion off of this thread.
The Nicene Creed, as has been shown, is based on what the Bible teaches. That fact is the very reason why this thread was posted. The appropriate scripture backing up the various statements in the Nicene Creed have been posted.
It is exactly to the point, The Nicene creed set up to go against the law.
It established a new religion that separated from the ways of God to institute it's own laws and it's own worship system based on the ancient Babylonian and Egyptian holy days of Tammuz and Osiris.
They rejected everything that was called of God or that was worshipped of God and created their own religion which persecuted and killed anyone who kept the 7 feasts of Jesus and God's worship system. It divided a brotherhood that made Jew and Gentile one.
It is exactly the point.
You would have people love the creed, but the Nicene council would kill me, my family and any Gentile brave enough to follow the laws in it's Sabbaths and feasts which teach of Jesus.
If I was born from 300 a.d. and or any century for about 15 centuries, I would be killed. If I followed Jesus they would hate me more than any Jew, and Jews were seen as animals not even able to own land and deemed sub human, but a gentile who followed Jesus in his feasts were hated more than any Jew because they were seen as traitors and wanna be Jews.
What do you think they would have done with me in ANY CENTURY?
His opinion in posts 4 and 5 about what he thinks Christianity should be is off topic. It's that simple. I posted this thread to demonstrate that the Nicene Creed is based on what the Bible says. If you people can't stay on that topic then please stay off the thread.
It is based off of a bunch of letters that were compiled into what they called the New Testament...Guess what?...The Mormons have a New Testament also...
It is based off of a bunch of letters that were compiled into what they called the New Testament...Guess what?...The Mormons have a New Testament also...
This thread is also not about whether you think the New Testament documents are a part of the word of God. The only point being addressed is that the Nicene Creed is based on what the New Testament says. As has been demonstrated, it is.
You are off topic. The only point of this thread is to show that the Nicene Creed is Biblical. That has been shown by backing up the various sections of the creed with the appropriate verses from the Bible.
Your rant is not on point. This thread is not about the Law. It is not about the feasts. And it is not about you. Observe the forum rules about staying on topic or stay off of this thread.
Since the Nicene Creed is based off of the New Testament and the New Testament is based off of a mistranslated "Old Testament", not the actual Hebrew Tanakh...Like people finding The Stand a few thousand years from now and assuming it was written as a history book...
The only thing you said here that is on topic is your admission that the Nicene Creed is based on what the New Testament states. The remainder of your comment is not relevant to the purpose of this thread.
There are several designations for the two forms of the Nicene creed, some with overlapping meanings.
Nicene Creed or the Creed of Nicaea is used to refer to the original version adopted at the First Council of Nicaea (325), to the revised version adopted by the First Council of Constantinople (381), to the Latin version that includes the phrase "Deum de Deo" and "Filioque",[9] and to the Armenian version, which does not include "and from the Son", but does include "God from God" and many other phrases.[10]
Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed can stand for the revised version of Constantinople (381) or the later Latin version[11] or various other versions.[12]
Icon/Symbol of the Faith is the usual designation for the revised version of Constantinople 381 in the Orthodox churches, where this is the only creed used in the liturgy.
Profession of Faith of the 318 Fathers refers specifically to the version of Nicaea 325 (traditionally, 318 bishops took part at the First Council of Nicaea).
Profession of Faith of the 150 Fathers refers specifically to the version of Constantinople 381 (traditionally, 150 bishops took part at the First Council of Constantinople).
Original Nicene Creed of 325
Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed
A professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary (Joel Otto)had a 13-part series on the Nicene Creed called
"We believe as all believers have." . In that series it mentioned why for the revised version that was
adopted by the First Council of Constantinople (381). It's purpose was to reiterate the confession made
at Nicaea and make some additions because other issues had surfaced since the 325 Council of Nicaea.
The 381 Nicene Creed clarifies the two natures of Christ, the purpose for Christ's suffering on the cross
and the article on the Holy Spirit was explained in depth.
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is,
seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being
with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation, he came
down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary, and became fully
human. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living
and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and
the Son, who in unity with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken
through the prophets. We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
A professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary (Joel Otto)had a 13-part series on the Nicene Creed called
"We believe as all believers have." . In that series it mentioned why for the revised version that was
adopted by the First Council of Constantinople (381). It's purpose was to reiterate the confession made
at Nicaea and make some additions because other issues had surfaced since the 325 Council of Nicaea.
The 381 Nicene Creed clarifies the two natures of Christ, the purpose for Christ's suffering on the cross
and the article on the Holy Spirit was explained in depth.
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is,
seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being
with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation, he came
down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary, and became fully
human. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living
and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and
the Son, who in unity with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken
through the prophets. We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
yes indeed. the Nicene Creed goes into further detail so it could be said to "supplement" the Apostles Creed but does NOT supplant it. BOTH confessions of faith are regarded as "orthodox" and (at least in the Catholic Church) both can be used in the Divine Liturgy/Mass. OTOH, the Eastern Orthodox might have serious concerns with/objections to the "proceeds from the Father AND the Son" for the Holy Spirit (the so-called "Filoque" controversy) in the text you provided but that version is the one most commonly used in "western" Christianity for both Catholics and most Protestants who use the Creed.
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