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Old 04-25-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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I have asked this question at a couple of websites and never gotten a good answer. I might as well go for it here. It isn't actually a Bible passage, per se, but I have often heard the term "Jesus died for your sins". For years this proclamation has perplexed me. How did Jesus's death have any effect on my sins? If Jesus had lived to a ripe old age and died of a heart attack, how would my sins be any different today in any real, discernable way?
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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I have asked this question at a couple of websites and never gotten a good answer. I might as well go for it here. It isn't actually a Bible passage, per se, but I have often heard the term "Jesus died for your sins". For years this proclamation has perplexed me. How did Jesus's death have any effect on my sins? If Jesus had lived to a ripe old age and died of a heart attack, how would my sins be any different today in any real, discernable way?
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-d...-our-sins.html
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:56 PM
 
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I have asked this question at a couple of websites and never gotten a good answer. I might as well go for it here. It isn't actually a Bible passage, per se, but I have often heard the term "Jesus died for your sins". For years this proclamation has perplexed me. How did Jesus's death have any effect on my sins? If Jesus had lived to a ripe old age and died of a heart attack, how would my sins be any different today in any real, discernable way?
It was an act of love to demonstrate nothing not even our sin can separate us from the love of God. The true message is we have always been loved of God, it didn't begin when he was nailed to the cross. The cross began convincing us that we have always been loved.


The LORD appeared of old to me, saying, I HAVE(always) loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with loving-kindness have I drawn thee.


If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:57 PM
 
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Thanks. I think that is as good an answer as I am going to get. It is still based on the interpretations of various Bible passages and then apply those interpretations to Jesus's crucifixion.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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A very popular interpretation, at that.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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I have asked this question at a couple of websites and never gotten a good answer. I might as well go for it here. It isn't actually a Bible passage, per se, but I have often heard the term "Jesus died for your sins". For years this proclamation has perplexed me. How did Jesus's death have any effect on my sins? If Jesus had lived to a ripe old age and died of a heart attack, how would my sins be any different today in any real, discernable way?
It is called a ransom. Adam cost us our lives by his actions. Jesus bought back the lives of those who believe in and follow him. He paid the price to buy us back.

Jesus words:

Matthew 20:28 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Two things.

1. A ransom
2. For the many not everyone.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:08 PM
 
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Thanks. I think that is as good an answer as I am going to get. It is still based on the interpretations of various Bible passages and then apply those interpretations to Jesus's crucifixion.
That is the understanding of traditional Christianity.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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It is called a ransom. Adam cost us our lives by his actions. Jesus bought back the lives of those who believe in and follow him. He paid the price to buy us back.

Jesus words:

Matthew 20:28 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Two things.

1. A ransom
2. For the many not everyone.
As an atheist, your answer is the kind that can trigger a long debate. It would being with: So, God thinks every person who ever lived, and ever will live is as impulsive as Adam so that one guy screws up and everyone gets punished? (It kind of has a Noah's ark-style morality to it.) A secondary debate might be the validity of the Biblical character Adam, given the scientific finding of human evolution.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:20 PM
 
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I have asked this question at a couple of websites and never gotten a good answer. I might as well go for it here. It isn't actually a Bible passage, per se, but I have often heard the term "Jesus died for your sins". For years this proclamation has perplexed me. How did Jesus's death have any effect on my sins? If Jesus had lived to a ripe old age and died of a heart attack, how would my sins be any different today in any real, discernable way?
Because if Jesus died of a heart attack instead of fulfilling the prophecy, then God wouldn't have blotted out your sins (if you belong to him).

In Hebrews there were animal sacrifices which were done away with due to Jesus sacrifice on the Cross.

An accidental heart attack is not a sacrifice for mankind.

Blood for Blood or there is no forgiveness of sins

IN the verse below, the priest referred to is Jesus

Leviticus 4:35 And all its fat he shall remove cast the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings, and the priest shall burn it on the altar, on top of the Lord’s food offerings. dAnd the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven

Hebrews 9:22
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and fwithout the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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As an atheist, your answer is the kind that can trigger a long debate. It would being with: So, God thinks every person who ever lived, and ever will live is as impulsive as Adam so that one guy screws up and everyone gets punished? (It kind of has a Noah's ark-style morality to it.) A secondary debate might be the validity of the Biblical character Adam, given the scientific finding of human evolution.
We sin by nature (Adam) and by choice (personal). You cannot deny that we humans have a tendency to screw up and we do it every day.
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