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Saved from paying for their own sins and an eternity in the lake of fire.......which right up front doesn't sound pleasant......no one has to go there
Going from post #7, my answer is none. Everyone, spiritual or not, will die.
Despite my being a fairly recent convert to agnostic/atheist, I will give my answer as was a Christian. No one, goes to an eternal lake of fire. Biblically, the saved are saved from eternal death, but not physical death(with exception to those who might see a post rapture).
Saved from paying for their own sins and an eternity in the lake of fire.......which right up front doesn't sound pleasant......no one has to go there
Rev 20:11-15 depicts a future event where people will be subpoenaed to face indictments listing every bad thing they did in life. The good news is: God has devised a way to get people's indictments stricken from the record.
● Rom 4:25 . . He was handed over for our transgressions, and was raised for our justification.
In other words; Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to obtain a pardon for people's sins; but his resurrection was required in order to make it possible for God to expunge people's records; otherwise the history of their sins would hang over people's heads like a sword of Damocles poised to fall on them at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
An acquittal can be defined as exoneration; viz: an adjudication of innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God is able to clear the books so that it appears people never did anything bad. On the surface; God's accounting system appears very unethical, but from His perspective it's all on the up and up.
NOTE: The innocence that I'm talking about isn't a personal innocence, no, it's an accounted innocence, i.e. an innocence on the books which, in regards to Rev 20:11-15, is where it matters the most.
Now, the advantage of the kind of acquittal I'm talking about is that offenders need obtain it only once because from thence, God stops keeping records on them.
● 2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them
● Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record.
Seeing as how every bad thing I ever did in life and/or ever will do is kept off the record by means of Christ's resurrection; then there will be nothing left on the books to use as evidence prove beyond a sensible doubt that I have ever been anything less than 100% perfect in thought, word, and deed.
● Rom 8:33 . .Who will bring a charge against God’s chosen ones? It is God who acquits us.
You saying it doesn't make it so. Can you give an example?
You are the one who should be explaining the question at hand
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
What you don't understand is that God's holiness requires justice. Jesus took God's wrath on Himself, in our place.
Not one of those scriptures quoted in that link of yours says what you are saying here. What the creator of that link wrote is his view of God, who stretched the scriptures (that anyone can see if they are open minded) to make it appear scriptural.
You are the one who should be explaining the question at hand
Not one of those scriptures quoted in that link of yours says what you are saying here. What the creator of that link wrote is his view of God, who stretched the scriptures (that anyone can see if they are open minded) to make it appear scriptural.
Then the reader can decide. I'm not surprised you are stuck. The scripture is clear.
The wages of sin is death (justice), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (grace).
For God so loved the world (grace), that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish (justice), but have everlasting life. -Jesus
Then the reader can decide. I'm not surprised you are stuck. The scripture is clear.
The wages of sin is death (justice), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (grace).
For God so loved the world (grace), that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish (justice), but have everlasting life. -Jesus
No jimmie, you are interpreting holiness and justice through the mindset of a fundamentalist. The wages of sin being death is not justice being served by a holy God. That scripture is saying nothing of the sort.
Sin rewards you with death, that does not mean God is executing justice on you because he is holy, it means whatever you serve rewards you. It is not an evangelical message about avoiding the justice of God and being saved from the eternal hell you believe in.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death . In other words those things(sin) produce death(unrighteousness). The fruit of righteousness is life
In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
Then the reader can decide. I'm not surprised you are stuck. The scripture is clear.
The wages of sin is death (justice), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (grace).
For God so loved the world (grace), that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish (justice), but have everlasting life. -Jesus
and right after that Jesus said:
" Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned
already....
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,
for God’s wrath remains on them." ~ Jesus
only a demonic spirit mocks away what Jesus said about being cursed to eternal hell (Matthew 25) with rationalizations like: Good news, that doesn't exist, ... it's temporary dross removal ...... saved from what ?? "
Last edited by twin.spin; 05-05-2017 at 03:24 PM..
Reason: clarity
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