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Old 08-16-2017, 05:08 PM
 
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I'm doing a short OP, I'm not feeling like writing a long-winded post right now, I'm tired when I hear Christians saying God is so angry and wants to DESTROY entire countries or the entire universe. He seems to have a very certain anger towards America, but I live there so I guess I'm little biased.

If this is true what people say about God/the Bible regarding things getting very evil and perverted in the world and not reversing, than what reason do Christians have to be politically or socially active?
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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I'm doing a short OP, I'm not feeling like writing a long-winded post right now, I'm tired when I hear Christians saying God is so angry and wants to DESTROY entire countries or the entire universe. He seems to have a very certain anger towards America, but I live there so I guess I'm little biased.

If this is true what people say about God/the Bible regarding things getting very evil and perverted in the world and not reversing, than what reason do Christians have to be politically or socially active?
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To know is to be, if I know I become, when I say you’ll know, if someone says it’s not true, I am one that’s true, they say if I wish to Destroy who can love, for I only wish for them to see the truth, the one who you seek to Destroy are lawless, but I am true, I hate that is lawlessness, I am everlasting life, men Destroy, but he who is coming to, the Destroy of worlds, the one you seek, remember I am with you.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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What kind of God would let the population be so overcrowded that they begin destroying the earth? Should God step in before humans destroy the earth?


Some say it is too late.




Revelation 8
The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead, and to reward Your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear Your name, both small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:49 PM
 
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I'm doing a short OP, I'm not feeling like writing a long-winded post right now, I'm tired when I hear Christians saying God is so angry and wants to DESTROY entire countries or the entire universe. He seems to have a very certain anger towards America, but I live there so I guess I'm little biased.

If this is true what people say about God/the Bible regarding things getting very evil and perverted in the world and not reversing, than what reason do Christians have to be politically or socially active?
Hi ghostee,

As a Christian, I don't know of any Christians who have ever said that God is so angry that he wants to destroy countries or the world.

God does get angry, yes. But the eventual destruction of the world isn't because He's angry (like we get angry), it's part of the plan He made before the world was ever created. It's something that non-believers have difficulty understanding but the Bible explains why that's the case. Since that's not your question, I'll digress on that.

Can I ask, what makes you think that God has "a very certain anger towards America"? The things going on are the results of two things: 1) Society has told God He's not welcome in the government, schools, society, and most recently, even in the lives of individuals (because Christianity is viewed as, and officially labeled by the Obama administration, as a "hate group and terrorists.") When God's laws were followed in the past, America was very blessed and prospered.

And 2), the things we're seeing happening in this country are the direct results of the choices and actions of its people. People are free to choose not to believe in, or obey, God and His Word. Choices have consequences. People are very quick to blame God when bad things happen. But what is He supposed to do when He's been told He's not welcome? Even secular psychology proves that people are prone to blame everyone else for everything going on (especially God), but take no responsibility themselves. And biblical history proves over and over again how God lifts His hand of blessing from people and nations when they disobey Him. He doesn't cause all these bad things to happen. They're the result of sin and He allows them the consequences of people's choices to play out.

As for the destruction of the world, we're living in a time of Grace right now. God's free offer of love, mercy, forgiveness and salvation are open to anyone and everyone who are willing to receive it. Even in all their sin and wickedness, His love is still available. But, the Bible says there's a limit to it and that offer has an expiration date: either when a person dies, or until Jesus comes back.

God, like most of us, is sick of wickedness and will not allow it to continue forever. Sin must - and will - be punished because God is also Just. The Bible says that the end of God's plan is to destroy wickedness and recreate the world in the absolute perfection He originally created it in in the first place! And EVERYONE has an invitation to live in that perfect world! But He never forces anyone to.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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What kind of God would let the population be so overcrowded that they begin destroying the earth? Should God step in before humans destroy the earth?

Some say it is too late.

Revelation 8
The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead, and to reward Your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear Your name, both small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Contrary to popular belief, the world isn't over-populated and under-resourced. That's the propaganda of this world's powers and the elite. The earth has been ravaged, and is being destroyed, simply because of mankind's rebellion against God and the consequences of their sin choices.
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Old 08-16-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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I'm doing a short OP, I'm not feeling like writing a long-winded post right now, I'm tired when I hear Christians saying God is so angry and wants to DESTROY entire countries or the entire universe. He seems to have a very certain anger towards America, but I live there so I guess I'm little biased.

If this is true what people say about God/the Bible regarding things getting very evil and perverted in the world and not reversing, than what reason do Christians have to be politically or socially active?
We have always had people who wish to control other people according to the perceptions the controllers have about right and wrong. Many of them try to use God as an excuse. Disregard nutcases as not worth your time and effort.
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Old 08-16-2017, 07:41 PM
 
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I'm doing a short OP, I'm not feeling like writing a long-winded post right now, I'm tired when I hear Christians saying God is so angry and wants to DESTROY entire countries or the entire universe. He seems to have a very certain anger towards America, but I live there so I guess I'm little biased.

If this is true what people say about God/the Bible regarding things getting very evil and perverted in the world and not reversing, than what reason do Christians have to be politically or socially active?
I know right? Jesus said his followers would be no part of the world, not physically removed, but to avoid involvement in social and political controversies.

Christians were to be involved in sharing the "Good news of the Kingdom" and not advancing political, social or economic agendas.

Some Christians will disagree but God doesn't have a nation on earth that he favors or disfavors. What the Bible does indicate is its the conduct of the individual that is most important to him.
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Old 08-16-2017, 07:45 PM
 
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Contrary to popular belief, the world isn't over-populated and under-resourced. That's the propaganda of this world's powers and the elite. The earth has been ravaged, and is being destroyed, simply because of mankind's rebellion against God and the consequences of their sin choices.
Sin choices in destroying the land in order to raise grain for cattle to eat, to cut down rain forest to raise cattle, to over fish and to destroy the oceans as much as one could with oil and radiation because man wants convenience, and he wants meat. The world cannot handle 10 billion people, there isn't enough land to plow to raise grain enough to feed all the animals.


Sin, I don't know, maybe you are right, but I see nature needing to be restarted.
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Old 08-16-2017, 08:52 PM
 
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Sin choices in destroying the land in order to raise grain for cattle to eat, to cut down rain forest to raise cattle, to over fish and to destroy the oceans as much as one could with oil and radiation because man wants convenience, and he wants meat. The world cannot handle 10 billion people, there isn't enough land to plow to raise grain enough to feed all the animals.


Sin, I don't know, maybe you are right, but I see nature needing to be restarted.
Sin is God's word, so He gets to define it. Growing grain to feed cattle isn't listed as a sin in the bible. A person can "do the right thing" and it can still be sin because of their motives. Personally, I find it better to leave that to God since I'm unable to know such things. Personally, I don't dare presume.

As for nature needing to be restarted... that's in God's plan. At the end of the book of Revelation, after seven years of tribulation and God's wrath being poured out on the wicked, God says that He will restore the earth, taking the curse of the earth away. It will be like He originally created it to be when He walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

That will last for 1,000 years, with Jesus Himself reigning on the earth. After that 1,000 years is over, eternity begins and everything becomes infinitely better still!
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Old 08-17-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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first a Christian must stay neutral when it comes to politics. Jehovah God and Jesus doesn't want their people to put trust in worldly men/governments. because they can't even lead themselves ,(Jer.10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps). and (Psa.146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help). when we vote, we believe man can change the way satan's world is.

when many tried to make Jesus their king, he flew to the mountains ,(John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone). Jesus KNEW he was to soon be king, but NOT in satan's wicked system. ONLY when the Earth is renewed ,(Psa.110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool). see also (Rev. 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth).

the Earth will NEVER be destroyed as many believe it will ,(Eccle. 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever). but soon ONLY the righteous will be left on earth ,(Psa. 37:9,10 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be).

Jehovah God and Jesus, isn't "Angry" at any country, because a place isn't a living being. they are Angry because man would rather, live as they please, allow themselves to be blinded by satan. and live the life of debauchery. instead of doing Jehovah God's "WILL" as Jesus told us which would bring us life , (Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven). and NOT obeying Jesus words ,(Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?).
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