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Old 01-01-2018, 12:49 PM
 
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This is for my own knowledge to better understand Christian doctrine.

The question is, why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself!

And how would the faith of a Christian person effected if he chooses to believe that Jesus was only a prophet of God, just as there were quite a few before him? And they all had the same exact message, monotheism! There is only one God who is not begotten and neither does he beget, and he has no partners.
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Old 01-01-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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This is for my own knowledge to better understand Christian doctrine.

The question is, why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself!

And how would the faith of a Christian person effected if he chooses to believe that Jesus was only a prophet of God, just as there were quite a few before him? And they all had the same exact message, monotheism! There is only one God who is not begotten and neither does he beget, and he has no partners.


Oh, this should be good...
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Old 01-01-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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This is for my own knowledge to better understand Christian doctrine.

The question is, why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself!

And how would the faith of a Christian person effected if he chooses to believe that Jesus was only a prophet of God, just as there were quite a few before him? And they all had the same exact message, monotheism! There is only one God who is not begotten and neither does he beget, and he has no partners.
Jesus was a prophet. He is also God in the flesh. Jesus was referred to as a prophet by other people in Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16, John 4:19. Jesus referred to Himself as a prophet in Mark 6:4.

Jesus is also clearly said to be God in John 1:1, Phillipians 2:6, Hebrews 1:8-12. Jesus made references to His deity in John 8:58 with His statement, ''Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'' His statement recorded in Matthew 26:64, as well as Mark 14:62 when He told Caiaphas, the high priest that he would see Him (Jesus) coming on the clouds of heaven was also a statement of His deity. To understand that, you have to understand that in Canaanite religion the god Baal had as one of his titles, 'the cloud rider.' The Old Testament writers took the term and applied it to Yahweh as a polemic against Baal. Yahweh is referred to as the cloud rider/rider of the heavens in several Old Testament verses (Isaiah 19:1; Deuteronomy 33:26; Psalm 68:33; 104:3). But in one verse, Daniel 7:13 that title is applied to the Son of Man. Jesus quoted Daniel 7:13 as His answer to Caiaphas and thus claimed to be the cloud rider and therefore God.

So, in answer to your question, ''why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself? Because He is stated in the Bible to be both God in the flesh and to be a prophet.
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Old 01-01-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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This is for my own knowledge to better understand Christian doctrine.

The question is, why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself!

And how would the faith of a Christian person effected if he chooses to believe that Jesus was only a prophet of God, just as there were quite a few before him? And they all had the same exact message, monotheism! There is only one God who is not begotten and neither does he beget, and he has no partners.
What if all the prophets are the Son of God?
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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This is for my own knowledge to better understand Christian doctrine.

The question is, why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself!

And how would the faith of a Christian person effected if he chooses to believe that Jesus was only a prophet of God, just as there were quite a few before him? And they all had the same exact message, monotheism! There is only one God who is not begotten and neither does he beget, and he has no partners.
Christianity is based on the redemptive work of Christ. If He were just a prophet, Christianity is null & void.
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:11 PM
 
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Jesus was a prophet. He is also God in the flesh. Jesus was referred to as a prophet by other people in Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16, John 4:19. Jesus referred to Himself as a prophet in Mark 6:4.

Jesus is also clearly said to be God in John 1:1, Phillipians 2:6, Hebrews 1:8-12. Jesus made references to His deity in John 8:58 with His statement, ''Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'' His statement recorded in Matthew 26:64, as well as Mark 14:62 when He told Caiaphas, the high priest that he would see Him (Jesus) coming on the clouds of heaven was also a statement of His deity. To understand that, you have to understand that in Canaanite religion the god Baal had as one of his titles, 'the cloud rider.' The Old Testament writers took the term and applied it to Yahweh as a polemic against Baal. Yahweh is referred to as the cloud rider/rider of the heavens in several Old Testament verses (Isaiah 19:1; Deuteronomy 33:26; Psalm 68:33; 104:3). But in one verse, Daniel 7:13 that title is applied to the Son of Man. Jesus quoted Daniel 7:13 as His answer to Caiaphas and thus claimed to be the cloud rider and therefore God.

So, in answer to your question, ''why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself? Because He is stated in the Bible to be both God in the flesh and to be a prophet.
Where does "serving", make the person a God?
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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Christianity is based on the redemptive work of Christ.
If He were just a prophet, Christianity is null & void.
Perhaps, your version of Christianism.
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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Jesus was a prophet. He is also God in the flesh. Jesus was referred to as a prophet by other people in Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16, John 4:19. Jesus referred to Himself as a prophet in Mark 6:4.
So, he was a prophet...Period...

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Jesus is also clearly said to be God in John 1:1, Phillipians 2:6, Hebrews 1:8-12.
Jesus didn't say that...The author did...


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Jesus made references to His deity in John 8:58 with His statement, ''Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.''
And you're wrong again, Mike...


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His statement recorded in Matthew 26:64, as well as Mark 14:62 when He told Caiaphas, the high priest that he would see Him (Jesus) coming on the clouds of heaven was also a statement of His deity. To understand that, you have to understand that in Canaanite religion the god Baal had as one of his titles, 'the cloud rider.' The Old Testament writers took the term and applied it to Yahweh as a polemic against Baal. Yahweh is referred to as the cloud rider/rider of the heavens in several Old Testament verses (Isaiah 19:1; Deuteronomy 33:26; Psalm 68:33; 104:3). But in one verse, Daniel 7:13 that title is applied to the Son of Man. Jesus quoted Daniel 7:13 as His answer to Caiaphas and thus claimed to be the cloud rider and therefore God.

So, in answer to your question, ''why do Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ could be a prophet of God, and not God himself? Because He is stated in the Bible to be both God in the flesh and to be a prophet.
None of that is stating that he is G-d...

Daniel - Chapter 7

13 I saw in the visions of the night, and behold with the clouds of the heaven, one like a man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days and was brought before Him.


Rashi:

one like a man was coming: That is the King Messiah.
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and… up to the Ancient of Days: Who was sitting in judgment and judging the nations.
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came: arrived, reached.


The cloud rider was brought BEFORE G-d...
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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Christianity is based on the redemptive work of Christ. If He were just a prophet, Christianity is null & void.
Yet G-d states that no one may redeem another...
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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Yet G-d states that no one may redeem another...
why are you preaching Jewish ideology in a christian forum?
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