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After an exhaustive study I'm now reasonably prepared to counter skeptics (most who I believe will be unprepared) and the well versed
whom I expect will cause me to delve deeper. The point is I respect
any dialog and honored by anyone who responses to my threads. Give
it a go my friends . It's a wild ride . As Jesus said "It's gett'in hot in
here I think I'm bust'in loose". (resurrection!)
Haha! Jesus said that, huh? And you have the credibility to prove the Shroud is genuine? ...
I consider myself a fairly devout Christian (Catholic). Whether the Shroud is or isn't genuine is really not a factor to me. I think there is a high probability of it being real, but if it were conclusively proven not to be, it still would be a holy artifact worthy of veneration, much like any other statue or painting.
I think that people who are always looking to scientifically disprove religion miss out on the fact that life itself is miraculous, therefore whether something is caused by "natural means" or whether it is "a miracle" is really not important to a true believer (because everything is a miracle!).
There are prophets of the Lord who have had visions that the Shroud of Turin is a witness of the horrible death of Jesus , and this vision is the death beating Jesus took from His captors which a horrible vision ..the prophet name in Maria Valtorta, so if people believe, there is a prophets reward or if one does not believe then there is no prophets reward the Word of God says .... But the Shroud does have some similar wounds on the body that Jesus had from the accounts from Isaiah 53, which is also a prophecy of the beating that Jesus took ,and from the Gospel there is some account of the horrible torture Jesus took which are similar wound on the Shroud were blood marks are clearly there ... So if the shroud is from the death of Jesus or some other person , the person who left these blood marks are similar to Jesus torture and death like the blood mark from the crown of thorns and the ripped off beard and whip marks and the cut from a spear leaves us with questions it was Jesus here ...... Even the movie `The Passion ` by Mel Gibson is from people who used the shroud of Turin to show their belief of this relic as the marks of Jesus beating in the movie are the marks of the shroud ....
People seek after sign rather than the Spirit of Truth. So what does Jesus say to this?
MT 12:38 "Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from you.
MT 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
MT 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
1COR 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1COR 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1COR 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1COR 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
After an exhaustive study I'm now reasonably prepared to counter skeptics (most who I believe will be unprepared) and the well versed
whom I expect will cause me to delve deeper. The point is I respect
any dialog and honored by anyone who responses to my threads. Give
it a go my friends . It's a wild ride . As Jesus said "It's gett'in hot in
here I think I'm bust'in loose". (resurrection!)
I wouldn't base my faith on it. That's all I can say.
After an exhaustive study I'm now reasonably prepared to counter skeptics (most who I believe will be unprepared) and the well versed
whom I expect will cause me to delve deeper. The point is I respect
any dialog and honored by anyone who responses to my threads. Give
it a go my friends . It's a wild ride . As Jesus said "It's gett'in hot in
here I think I'm bust'in loose". (resurrection!)
I suspect that the shroud is the genuine burial cloth of Jesus. No, I don't have any "proof". It's just "IMO", after reading about it and watching documentary about it.
After an exhaustive study I'm now reasonably prepared to counter skeptics (most who I believe will be unprepared) and the well versed
whom I expect will cause me to delve deeper. The point is I respect
any dialog and honored by anyone who responses to my threads. Give
it a go my friends . It's a wild ride . As Jesus said "It's gett'in hot in
here I think I'm bust'in loose". (resurrection!)
I'm not sure by your words here if you are saying the shroud is real or not, but it is 14" long x 3.5 " wide piece of linen which has two images on it. The front of the a body and the back of one.
So I must ask you, or those who think it's genuine, if you've read the Biblical accounts of how ppl were prepared for burial in that day?
Their bodies were wrapped/wound in strips of linen called grave clothes along with spices. And Christ's face was covered with a seperate piece of cloth called a napkin.
So I must ask. How could a solid image have appeared on stips of cloth?
Haha! Jesus said that, huh? And you have the credibility to prove the Shroud is genuine? ...
I consider myself a fairly devout Christian (Catholic). Whether the Shroud is or isn't genuine is really not a factor to me. I think there is a high probability of it being real, but if it were conclusively proven not to be, it still would be a holy artifact worthy of veneration, much like any other statue or painting.
I think that people who are always looking to scientifically disprove religion miss out on the fact that life itself is miraculous, therefore whether something is caused by "natural means" or whether it is "a miracle" is really not important to a true believer (because everything is a miracle!).
Exo_20:4 You shall not make a graven image for yourself, or any likeness in the heavens above, or in the earth beneath, or in the waters under the earth;
I'm not sure by your words here if you are saying the shroud is real or not, but it is 14" long x 3.5 " wide piece of linen which has two images on it. The front of the a body and the back of one.
So I must ask you, or those who think it's genuine, if you've read the Biblical accounts of how ppl were prepared for burial in that day?
Their bodies were wrapped/wound in strips of linen called grave clothes along with spices. And Christ's face was covered with a seperate piece of cloth called a napkin.
So I must ask. How could a solid image have appeared on stips of cloth?
That was Egyptian mumiphication, which the Hebrews did not practice for that involved removing the internal organs including the brain which would have been a desecration to them...A burial shroud is just that, a shoud that covers the body...
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