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While Jesus obviously was not mentioned by name, the promise in Genesis 3:15 is that her seed, her descendant would crush the head of the serpent and that the serpent would bruise him on the heel. This took place at the cross where Satan was strategically defeated.
You neglect to mention what the purpose of the anointing was. You fail to state what the Messiah was to do.
As the Messiah Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit to proclaim the good news to the poor and to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed and to proclaim the Lord's favor. In Luke 4:18-19 Jesus quotes Isaiah 61:1-2 and applies it to Himself.
Luke 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed Me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, 19] to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to bring good news to the poor; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2] to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn;
Jesus didn't quote the rest of the Isaiah passage because the rest of that passage will be fulfilled when He returns.
Berei**** - Genesis - Chapter 3
15 And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel."
There is nothing that states that the Mashich will come again to complete the rest...
Israel is simply the means though which the Messiah and Savior came into the world. Jesus is the seed or descendant that was first promised in Genesis 3:15.
What would that have to do with modern Christians? We claim that a Jew offered Gentiles a betrothal because those Gentiles were living in the land of Joseph and that it was the land of the ten lost tribes that had been lost for 700 years until a Jew offered those people a betrothal, he didn't offer a betrothal to a Jew.
Jesus went looking for the lost sheep of the lost house of Israel named Ephraim, and unless we can show Gentiles as Ephraim, then a Messiah could not have brought a new covenant for Ephraim and Judah because Ephraim had been lost for 700 years, for 700 years they were cut out of the covenant because of lawlessness and paganism.
We don't claim a Messiah brought a betrothal to Jews to marry a Jew to become a Jew.
Gentiles came from the land of Joseph filled with zeal in accepting the Torah and trying to live as a Jew who follows the commandments. This was done because of the supposed betrothal offered to a Gentile from a Jew that if the Gentile rejected his lawlessness and paganism to accept only the ways of God, he was thereby taking hold of the covenant as Isaiah 56 shows. Those first Christians converted away from paganism and accepted a Passover and went around teaching a Passover.............We can debate this with Jews in whether or not a Gentile can or cannot be considered a spiritual Israel through conversion, but what we cannot debate is a modern Christian trying to pass himslef off as Israel under an inheritance of Israel if he rejects the commandments and worship system of God. A Gentile who doesn't keep God's Sabbath and who rejects the feast of Tabernacles has no debate whether or not anyone would consider him Israel because he is clearly not Israel and there is no debate. He will not be given a new name, he will not be gathered, he has no inheritance and whatever he reads in the New Testament is not about him because he is neither Ephraim or Judah.
A Gentile's only debate is whether or not he can present himself as Ephraim and Ephaim is a Gentile who comes repenting because he disrepected the laws of Moses all his life like Christians do. He has to repent of involving himself in Paganism as Christians do, and it is exactly what killed Ephraim in the firstplace.
Modern Christians just claim to be Israel with no ryhm or reason, they can be the complete opposite of Israel and to add insult to injury, they can be lawless and even pagan to believe they have replaced Jews when in fact, they had no way into Judah, but a way was made for the prodigal nation of the Gentiles of Ephraim to return as servants.
15 And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. He will crush your head, and you will bite his heel."
There is nothing that states that the Mashich will come again to complete the rest...
Yes there is. But since you don't recognize the authority of the New Testament scriptures you don't believe what they say.
Yes there is. But since you don't recognize the authority of the New Testament scriptures you don't believe what they say.
Well, there has to be a link back to the Tanakh implying it otherwise it is merely made up...Our Tanakh shows that the Mashiach does it all in one visit, not two or even three...But one...
Well, there has to be a link back to the Tanakh implying it otherwise it is merely made up...Our Tanakh shows that the Mashiach does it all in one visit, not two or even three...But one...
It only seems to show that the Messiah does it in one 'visit' because the future existence of the dispensation of the church was kept hidden until Jesus went to the cross. After Jesus returns he will bring in the kingdom and fulfill in full the promises in the Abrahamic, Davidic, and New Covenants.
The Messiah that unbelieving Jews are waiting for already came and will return again. Many thousands of first century Jews recognized that Jesus was the Messiah and believed in him as do Messianic Jews today.
It only seems to show that the Messiah does it in one 'visit' because the future existence of the dispensation of the church was kept hidden until Jesus went to the cross. After Jesus returns he will bring in the kingdom and fulfill in full the promises in the Abrahamic, Davidic, and New Covenants.
The Messiah that unbelieving Jews are waiting for already came and will return again. Many thousands of first century Jews recognized that Jesus was the Messiah and believed in him as do Messianic Jews today.
Show me where this second coming is in our Tanakh...
It only seems to show that the Messiah does it in one 'visit' because the future existence of the dispensation of the church was kept hidden until Jesus went to the cross. After Jesus returns he will bring in the kingdom and fulfill in full the promises in the Abrahamic, Davidic, and New Covenants.
The Messiah that unbelieving Jews are waiting for already came and will return again. Many thousands of first century Jews recognized that Jesus was the Messiah and believed in him as do Messianic Jews today.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Show me where this second coming is in our Tanakh...
I just got though explaining why the Tanakh doesn't show it. In the Old Testament there is no indication that there would be a dispensation of the church which would lie in between a first and a second coming of the Messiah.
The following Clarence Larkin chart, 'The Mountain Peaks of Prophecy' shows in pictorial form that the Old Testament prophets couldn't see the dispensation of the church and therefore could not see that the Messiah was to come twice.
I just got though explaining why the Tanakh doesn't show it. In the Old Testament there is no indication that there would be a dispensation of the church which would lie in between a first and a second coming of the Messiah.
The following Clarence Larkin chart, 'The Mountain Peaks of Prophecy' shows in pictorial form that the Old Testament prophets couldn't see the dispensation of the church and therefore could not see that the Messiah was to come twice.
Interesting that G-d didn’t clue us Jews in on that...You do know that prophets don’t look or see into the future, right?...Anything that they relate to the people comes from G-d, right?...So, how could it change all of a sudden a mere 2000 years ago?...If it’s not in the prophets then it has to have been fabricated...
I just got though explaining why the Tanakh doesn't show it. In the Old Testament there is no indication that there would be a dispensation of the church which would lie in between a first and a second coming of the Messiah.
The following Clarence Larkin chart, 'The Mountain Peaks of Prophecy' shows in pictorial form that the Old Testament prophets couldn't see the dispensation of the church and therefore could not see that the Messiah was to come twice.
Yea, I just looked at your first link, Larkin is full of it...Where does he get the idea that the church was in a valley?...Just some more BS from someone trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole...
And how did the prophets see the crucifixtion when it is even in the Tanakh?...
Interesting that G-d didn’t clue us Jews in on that...You do know that prophets don’t look or see into the future, right?...Anything that they relate to the people comes from G-d, right?...So, how could it change all of a sudden a mere 2000 years ago?...If it’s not in the prophets then it has to have been fabricated...
Part of prophecy did involve looking into the future, and much of the prophecy was indeed about the future. And no, the Old Testament prophets were not told everything. God has progressively revealed aspects of His plan. He didn't give it all to the Old Testament prophets. The change in dispensations took place some two thousand years ago in God's timing, according to His purpose.
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