If Jesus was a Jew, why aren't Christians Jewish? (HaShem, Sodom, translate)
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No, not at all...No such grafting took place...If anything, it is the grafting of the Gentile into the Jewish nation...
Huh? I find Jesus only went to the Jews - Luke 4:43-44; Matthew 15:24. The Jews were given first choice as per Acts 3:36.
Being 'first' logically means more to come.
Please notice it was Not until after Pentecost that the Samaritans were included, then gentile Cornelius - Acts chapter 10.
Jesus taught at Matthew 23:38 that the Jewish religious ' house of worship ' was abandoned by his God.
This is because Jesus was fulfilling the Constitution of the Mosaic Law contract with national Israel - Romans 10:4.
Thus, since Pentecost Jerusalem "ABOVE" is Now mother, Now this 'seat of government' is in Heaven -> Galatians 4:26.
Since Pentecost it is the 'Christian congregation' as a whole who makes up that ' spiritual Israel '- Romans 2:28-29
'Spiritual Israel ' is Not found located on any map, and has No borders nor boundaries - 1st Peter 2:9; 1st Peter 2:5.
Thus, since Pentecost, people of all nations, including natural Israel, can become part of the Christian congregation.
Huh? I find Jesus only went to the Jews - Luke 4:43-44; Matthew 15:24. The Jews were given first choice as per Acts 3:36.
Being 'first' logically means more to come.
Please notice it was Not until after Pentecost that the Samaritans were included, then gentile Cornelius - Acts chapter 10.
Jesus taught at Matthew 23:38 that the Jewish religious ' house of worship ' was abandoned by his God.
This is because Jesus was fulfilling the Constitution of the Mosaic Law contract with national Israel - Romans 10:4.
Thus, since Pentecost Jerusalem "ABOVE" is Now mother, Now this 'seat of government' is in Heaven -> Galatians 4:26.
Since Pentecost it is the 'Christian congregation' as a whole who makes up that ' spiritual Israel '- Romans 2:28-29
'Spiritual Israel ' is Not found located on any map, and has No borders nor boundaries - 1st Peter 2:9; 1st Peter 2:5.
Thus, since Pentecost, people of all nations, including natural Israel, can become part of the Christian congregation.
Ah, you believe in replacement theology...No such thing as a spiritual Israel...
This Christian rendering of Jeremiah’s prophecy of a “new covenant,” however, is an extraordinary reconstruction of the prophet’s own words. Jeremiah 31:31-34 is not a prophecy that occurred 2,000 years ago, or any time in the past. Rather, it is a prophecy that will be fulfilled in the future messianic age.
The fact that Jeremiah 31:31-34 begins with the prophet addressing both the “House of Israel and the House of Judah” clearly indicates that Jeremiah is speaking to the Jewish people, following the reunification and restoration of the ten lost tribes. No restoration occurred at the time when Christians claim the new covenant was fulfilled in Jesus’ death. Quite the contrary, during the Christian century the House of Israel did not exist – Assyria exiled the Kingdom of Israel more than seven centuries earlier (approx. 732 B.C.E.). Moreover, during the first century, the Jewish people were spread throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. Thus, the vast bulk of “House of Judah” did not reside in the Promised Land during Jesus’ lifetime.
In short, the era of the new covenant has not yet arrived. Rather, Jeremiah’s prophecy addresses a future messianic age when the entire Jewish people – both Judah and Israel – will be restored, reunited, in the land of Israel (Ezekiel 37:15-22). On the contrary, there had been no time in history when the Jewish people were more fractured and dispersed than the first century C.E. when, the author of the Book of Hebrews claims that Jeremiah’s prophecy of a new covenant was fulfilled. Moreover, a cursory reading of verse 31:34, further confirms that Jeremiah’s prophecy is not speaking of a Christian cross 2,000 years ago but rather a restored Jewish people in the future messianic era. Missionaries often overlook verse 34 and emphasize only 31:31-33 when quoting Jeremiah’s declaration of a new covenant. This oversight shatters their interpretation of this prophecy, because clearly this passage speaks of the future new covenant era. Jeremiah states: - https://outreachjudaism.org/god-divorce-israel/
As has been noted before, Richard, Jewish perceptions are not appropriate in a Christianity Forum. Whether it is perceived as a fulfillment of Jeremiah or not we are under a “New Covenant” instituted by Christ and the details of a Jewish prophecy and/ or perception are not relevant.
As has been noted before, Richard, Jewish perceptions are not appropriate in a Christianity Forum. Whether it is perceived as a fulfillment of Jeremiah or not we are under a “New Covenant” instituted by Christ and the details of a Jewish prophecy and/ or perception are not relevant.
LOL, none of the bible is relevant to you, what in the world are you talking about?
So funny, Richard is honest and believes what the covenant states, and then there is you.
As has been noted before, Richard, Jewish perceptions are not appropriate in a Christianity Forum. Whether it is perceived as a fulfillment of Jeremiah or not we are under a “New Covenant” instituted by Christ and the details of a Jewish prophecy and/ or perception are not relevant.
It is profoundly saddening that the rejection of Christ and His Gospel of love and reconciliation continues to this day by those to whom He was originally sent.
Mystic, how can anyone take you or Nate seriously when you want to talk about the bible?
Neither one of you accept the bible, both of you are members of your own Christianity, a Christianity that didn't exist 100 years ago, it is of your own invention and then you want to get on a Christianity forum and debate people speaking about the bible when neither of you accept the bible?
The first Christianity WAS JUDAISM, and then Gentiles outlawed God and his religion and they started killing Christians who dared to follow the Jewish Messiah. Pagan lawless Christians killing Messianic Christians and this went on for 2000 years, Gentiles claiming to be in a covenant they couldn't possibly be in. Pagan lawless Gentiles claiming the covenant of Jeremiah 31 when they were not in the covenant, but with you guys, you guys invented what you wanted, and who knows what books you will accept from the bible?io
I would like to see a list from both of you, a list of books that you accept, or else how can we debate if we don't have the same foundation? I can debate from all the books, but I already know that neither of you accept all the books, and how does that work? Jeremiah proves you wrong and doesn't line up with what you want to believe and so you just rip Jeremiah out of the book, and then pretend you are in some other fantasy covenant that nobody else can find?
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Mystic, how can anyone take you or Nate seriously when you want to talk about the bible?
Neither one of you accept the bible, both of you are members of your own Christianity, a Christianity that didn't exist 100 years ago, it is of your own invention and then you want to get on a Christianity forum and debate people speaking about the bible when neither of hou accept the bible?
The first Christianity WAS JUDAISM, and then Gentiles outlawed God and his religion and they started killing Christians who dared to follow the Jewish Messiah. Pagan lawless Christians killing Messianic Christians and this went on for 2000 years, Gentiles claiming to be in a covenant they couldn't possibly be in. Pagan lawless Gentiles claiming the covenant of Jeremiah 31 when they were not in the covenant, but with you guys, you guys invented what you wanted, and who knows what books you will accept from the bible.
I would like to see a list from both of you, a list of books that you accept, or else how can we debate if we don't have the same foundation? I can debate from all the books, but I already know that neither of you accept all the books, and how does that work? Jeremiah proves you wrong and doesn't line up with what you want to believe and so you just rip Jeremiah out of the book, and then pretend you are in some other fantasy covenant that nobody else can find?
Mystic, how can anyone take you or Nate seriously when you want to talk about the bible?
Neither one of you accept the Bible, both of you are members of your own Christianity, a Christianity that didn't exist 100 years ago, it is of your own invention and then you want to get on a Christianity forum and debate people speaking about the bible when neither of you accept the bible?
Why do you continue to lie about this using your all-or-nothing view of accepting the Bible? We accept the Bible as containing inspirations from God but NOT EVERYTHING IN IT because there is much in it that contradicts or is inconsistent with the Holy Spirit revealed by Jesus, period. Your blind acceptance of EVERYTHING is NOT studying to show yourself approved. We test the spirit of everything claimed to be from God or Jesus. You do not. It is NOT what books we accept, it is what concepts and beliefs about God are compatible or consistent with the Holy Spirit revealed by Jesus and which are NOT! We cannot abide the double-minded nonsense of contradictory beliefs and concepts that seem to find acceptance in the minds of Bible idolators.
Why do you continue to lie about this using your all-or-nothing view of accepting the Bible? We accept the Bible as containing inspirations from God but NOT EVERYTHING IN IT because there is much in it that contradicts or is inconsistent with the Holy Spirit revealed by Jesus, period. Your blind acceptance of EVERYTHING is NOT studying to show yourself approved. We test the spirit of everything claimed to be from God or Jesus. You do not. It is NOT what books we accept, it is what concepts and beliefs about God are compatible or consistent with the Holy Spirit revealed by Jesus and which are NOT! We cannot abide the double-minded nonsense of contradictory beliefs and concepts that seem to find acceptance in the minds of Bible idolators.
Why do you continue to lie about this using your all-or-nothing view of accepting the Bible? We accept the Bible as containing inspirations from God but NOT EVERYTHING IN IT because there is much in it that contradicts or is inconsistent with the Holy Spirit revealed by Jesus, period. Your blind acceptance of EVERYTHING is NOT studying to show yourself approved. We test the spirit of everything claimed to be from God or Jesus. You do not. It is NOT what books we accept, it is what concepts and beliefs about God are compatible or consistent with the Holy Spirit revealed by Jesus and which are NOT! We cannot abide the double-minded nonsense of contradictory beliefs and concepts that seem to find acceptance in the minds of Bible idolators.
Blind acceptance lol.
You say you have the Holy spirit given to the people who keep the feasts of Christ. You have a Holy spirit teaching you contradictions about the bible and the ways of the bible, and it is the Holy spirit you use as a foundation, and this spirit came to people who loved and kept Shavuot. Jesus went to those first disciples and warned them that they had better continue counting the omer and preparing for the very hour the promise would be given.
People who reject a Sukkot bull don't have one, people who reject a Passover lamb don't have one, and it is also ridiculous to claim a gift from a holy feast that you don't even believe in or practice, and that is the thing, people always talking about things that they don't know or things they don't even wish to know, in a religion they have no interest in joining, and yet, the holy spirit of Shavuot came to them and we should believe anything they say, even if they contradict history, reality or prophesy.
The bible isn't an everything goes, it is never going to conform to your political correctness or whatever you want to call it.
I don't mean to offend, and if the facts offend, I am sorry about that, but again, how can a serious bible student take you seriously.
You insinuated that I lied about you, but your own words prove that what I said is true, and you can't help what you believe, be proud and tell us which books of the bible can a person use to convince you of a thang?
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