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"He ...hangeth the earth upon nothing." ( Job 26:7 )
Nothing means nothing in God's scientific characterization of the earth's configuration .
Verse twisting & contorting by the spiritually unenlightened not withstanding .
Again, you are ignoring the verses which have been posted which contradict the idea of the earth hanging on nothing. You have no knowledge about the cosmology of the ancient Near East and seem to need to cling to the idea that the Bible is scientifically correct. It is not and was never intended to be. If you are unwilling to educate yourself on what scholars have long known, that's your choice. I'm fairly certain at this point that you didn't even bother to watch that short video I posted on the ancient Israelite cosmology. Suit yourself.
"He ...hangeth the earth upon nothing." ( Job 26:7 )
Nothing means nothing in God's scientific characterization of the earth's configuration .
Verse twisting & contorting by the spiritually unenlightened not withstanding .
I'm fairly certain at this point that you didn't even bother to watch that short video Mike posted on the ancient Israelite cosmology. Suit yourself.
I'm fairly certain at this point that you didn't even bother to watch that short video Mike posted on the ancient Israelite cosmology. Suit yourself.
For me the direct quote from God's Word Characterizing the earth's configuration tells me what God's intended meaning is much more than video opinions of what someone thinks .
Originally Posted by unfailing presence
"He ...hangeth the earth upon nothing." ( Job 26:7 )
Nothing means nothing in God's scientific characterization of the earth's configuration .
Verse twisting & contorting by the spiritually unenlightened not withstanding
Except that the Bible also says that there are waters above the firmament which is a hard dome over the earth. The firmament separates the waters that are above the firmament from the waters below the firmament which has windows that open so that it can rain. Hardly scientific or accurate. The Bible speaks of cosmic waters that are below the earth in keeping with the cosmology of the ancient Near East peoples. The Bible does not speak of scientific matters.
Spiritually speaking, the firmament is CHRIST, the mediator BETWEEN the waters (people are described as waters, too, AND as spirits or spiritual being/component) below the firmament and the waters above the firmament (where Father dwells). Blessings....
For me the direct quote from God's Word Characterizing the earth's configuration tells me what God's intended meaning is much more than video opinions of what someone thinks .
Originally Posted by unfailing presence
"He ...hangeth the earth upon nothing." ( Job 26:7 )
Nothing means nothing in God's scientific characterization of the earth's configuration .
Verse twisting & contorting by the spiritually unenlightened not withstanding
So as not to take this thread any further off topic I have started a new thread addressing Job 26:7.
you don't understand. The water which in the bible is above the firmament is not the atmospheric water (clouds, humidity, etc). In biblical thought, as in ancient near eastern thought in general, the water that is above the firmament is above a solid dome which is supported by pillars. The firmament was thought to be a hard nonporous material whose purpose was to hold back the heavenly waters.
The bible simply does not speak of scientific facts. That's not its purpose. The bible speaks of theological matters, not scientific. It wouldn't hurt you to do some studying into the bible as it relates to the ancient near east. Here is a quick introduction to ancient israelite cosmology, just six minutes long.
I know what he is saying but, with each cosmic event our physical world is changed.. In some way.. And even scientist today are stuck in the same rut as our ancestors thinking.
One of mans greatest sins against God is his complete inability to first trust what God said is true and what eyes witnesses have recorded, then to figure out what happened from there.. How many billions to the umptenth power -lbs of preasure per square inch. is required to stop the world from spinning for 24 hours as for Joshua long day? or move it ten steps... Hezekiahs 10 steps? ? now account for that much pressure...
Until science does that no can mock the Bible on anything else older than 2800and 3200-3500--- years! and not be intellectually honest.. Because they are ignore-ants. science has chosen to ignore facts.There are two and Noah's makes three events science
is Just ignoring three worldwide recorded truths. and they can't account for any of it.
So at least the ancient Israelites has tried to use some sort of eye witnessed history...
I believe it was something like a hard salt layer ..which stopped waters above it from freezing. They actually found a layer of misty salt water around the earth. I believe that layer broke and those salty waters came down to destroy the earth in the flood. And that there was pillars of stone that held them up the salty layers ..
and Probably broken by a cosmic event .. That just shattered it and leveled or even melted the salt pillars in the waters.. ....
I suspect that there was water above a salt layer for another reason in that the ancients knew things about the planets that only could be known if at some point the planets had been visable from earth in someway. So I think that somehow the thawing and freezing waters above created some sort of lens effects that allowed the ancient to actually see the planets in some kind of rotation.
And all that salt is why I believe our oceans are salty.. And all that salt is what has aided in shortening our lifes spans. Besides those waters and salt layers would be blocking different kinds of ultraviolet rays and other kinds of cosmic radiation of every sort . These once released all aided to make us have very much shorter life spans.
And this in fact....would completely invalidate all forms of men using any form of radioactive materials for time dating purposes. Because they didn't know the laws and or conditions of earth's historic radioactive activities and the effects of all possible and probable Cosmic interactions.
And science ignoring all eyewitnessed and recorded history is an epic cosmic failure..
Just of living souls lost to the lies and fanciful dreams of so-called scientist.. ..... Failures as epic in human souls as Noah's flood was or more.
and yes that might have been Israels cosmology.. Israelis who never traveled anyplace....
.. but that wasn't the whole worlds !
the world was viewed as a giant eyeball as seen at serpent mound.... the "all seeing eye" was the image of our world by my ancient ancestors anyway!
now maybe the Jews who went no place ever, saw their world flat..
and our deserts have remnants of Giant pillars in them , and or even larger trees.. WHAT NO ONE CAN ACCOUNT FOR WHY THEY ARE STILL NOT WITH US. just FYI.
and 12 inch to 6 ft of moon dirt( that only matches in the moon perfectly ) from one side of the USA to the other side.. sceince won't even acknowledge much less try and explain it ..
Mystic...as above so below...the macrocosm and the microcosm...water and the brain...
the outer Universe and the inner world. Good treatise. More than what anyone else here has delved into...or even considered
There is more to it, even!!
Have you looked up amrita by any chance?
Except that the Bible also says that there are waters above the firmament which is a hard dome over the earth. The firmament separates the waters that are above the firmament from the waters below the firmament which has windows that open so that it can rain. Hardly scientific or accurate. The Bible speaks of cosmic waters that are below the earth in keeping with the cosmology of the ancient Near East peoples. The Bible does not speak of scientific matters.
This theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula 'CLOUD' from the greater Galactic nebula 'CLOUD' began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the waters (cloud) above, from the waters (Cloud) below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.
It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heaver elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].
The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar cloud, from the galactic cloud, or the waters above from the waters below.
Within the greater galactic nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The cloud complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.
Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form. Near the centre of the condensing cloud, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.
As the cloud continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would eventually become a star and with a strong stellar wind, would blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed.
By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.
Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.
This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.
Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.
Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.
Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.
These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time.
This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.
According to the Genesis narrative, it is on the second day that the Lord calls for a "firmament" to be in the "midst of the waters" to divide the waters:
"And God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under (or within) the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)
The term "firmament" according to the Creation account, is taken from the Hebrew: רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah, which is defined by many scholars as an expanse, or the visible arch of the sky:—firmament, but a primitive root; “רָקַע raqa` raw-kah” means, to pound, hammer, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.
The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure, and in some modern Bibles many modern scholars translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault". The Hebrew language appears to imply that the firmament is a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament, which can now be seen as the spherical cloud of comets (Icy vault) in which our solar system was created from the solar nebula cloud that was divided from the greater galactic nebula cloud.
"And God said, “Let there be lights within the firmament or vault to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
(Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars=planets of our solar system, are "within" the firmament. Therefore, the waters that are "above the firmament=dome/vault" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars=planets of our solar system, revealing that the waters which are referred to in Psalms 148:4; "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens," belong to the greater galactic nebula cloud which has become our Milky Way Galaxy.
The Oort cloud, or the Opik-Oort cloud, which is named after Jan Oort, is a spherical cloud that surrounds our solar system, a cloud of predominantly icy objects such as comets that are comprised of mainly hydrogen, oxygen=water, ammonia and methane, and extends up to about a light year from the sun and defines the cosmographical boundary of our Solar System and the region of the suns gravitational dominance. Here is the Firmament, the great spherical vault within which is found the sun, moons and planets of our solar system, the dome of ice above us.
Knowing that the planets of our solar system were already created before the sun came into existence when the hydrogen nuclei within the condensing solar cloud started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy thereby creating our sun, we must now ask the question, “Did life on earth begin to evolve before the creation of the sun?” As is recorded in the Bible. And can life exist without sunlight? Proof of this is to be found in the darkest depths of our oceans, where life has evolved over six miles beneath the surface where sunlight does not and cannot penetrate. This subject will be discussed at a later stage.
I know what he is saying but, with each cosmic event our physical world is changed.. In some way.. And even scientist today are stuck in the same rut as our ancestors thinking.
One of mans greatest sins against God is his complete inability to first trust what God said is true and what eyes witnesses have recorded, then to figure out what happened from there.. How many billions to the umptenth power -lbs of preasure per square inch. is required to stop the world from spinning for 24 hours as for Joshua long day? or move it ten steps... Hezekiahs 10 steps? ? now account for that much pressure...
Until science does that no can mock the Bible on anything else older than 2800and 3200-3500--- years! and not be intellectually honest.. Because they are ignore-ants. science has chosen to ignore facts.There are two and Noah's makes three events science
is Just ignoring three worldwide recorded truths. and they can't account for any of it.
So at least the ancient Israelites has tried to use some sort of eye witnessed history...
I believe it was something like a hard salt layer ..which stopped waters above it from freezing. They actually found a layer of misty salt water around the earth. I believe that layer broke and those salty waters came down to destroy the earth in the flood. And that there was pillars of stone that held them up the salty layers ..
and Probably broken by a cosmic event .. That just shattered it and leveled or even melted the salt pillars in the waters.. ....
I suspect that there was water above a salt layer for another reason in that the ancients knew things about the planets that only could be known if at some point the planets had been visable from earth in someway. So I think that somehow the thawing and freezing waters above created some sort of lens effects that allowed the ancient to actually see the planets in some kind of rotation.
And all that salt is why I believe our oceans are salty.. And all that salt is what has aided in shortening our lifes spans. Besides those waters and salt layers would be blocking different kinds of ultraviolet rays and other kinds of cosmic radiation of every sort . These once released all aided to make us have very much shorter life spans.
And this in fact....would completely invalidate all forms of men using any form of radioactive materials for time dating purposes. Because they didn't know the laws and or conditions of earth's historic radioactive activities and the effects of all possible and probable Cosmic interactions.
And science ignoring all eyewitnessed and recorded history is an epic cosmic failure..
Just of living souls lost to the lies and fanciful dreams of so-called scientist.. ..... Failures as epic in human souls as Noah's flood was or more.
and yes that might have been Israels cosmology.. Israelis who never traveled anyplace....
.. but that wasn't the whole worlds !
the world was viewed as a giant eyeball as seen at serpent mound.... the "all seeing eye" was the image of our world by my ancient ancestors anyway!
now maybe the Jews who went no place ever, saw their world flat..
and our deserts have remnants of Giant pillars in them , and or even larger trees.. WHAT NO ONE CAN ACCOUNT FOR WHY THEY ARE STILL NOT WITH US. just FYI.
and 12 inch to 6 ft of moon dirt( that only matches in the moon perfectly ) from one side of the USA to the other side.. sceince won't even acknowledge much less try and explain it ..
Our Lord is True and only He is not a liar..
I forgot to make the most important point..
that water ! the baptism and the survival, the purity and His blessings for the righteous ....... is part of the human historical experience and the records of everyones anscestors.... or you aren't here now..
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More than what anyone else here has delved into...or even considered 
