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Old 03-13-2020, 04:04 PM
 
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Accomplished-fulfilled. What does it mean that "love fulfills the Law?" What is so hard about the idea that a commitment to a principle is what is missing from imperfect law? That such a commitment fulfills what mere law simply can't?
Yep, I agree

The law comes from the principles, not the principles from the law...... same as we have a thought first then the action, the not sticking with the principles brought law into being to bring things back into line with the first principles, thought, idea etc that is what Paul is saying about the law in Romans

These things are actually in ancient Greek and Roman writings as well
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:12 PM
 
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Accomplished-fulfilled. What does it mean that "love fulfills the Law?" What is so hard about the idea that a commitment to a principle is what is missing from imperfect law? That such a commitment fulfills what mere law simply can't?
I'm with you THERE mate.
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:56 PM
 
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Accomplished-fulfilled. What does it mean that "love fulfills the Law?" What is so hard about the idea that a commitment to a principle is what is missing from imperfect law? That such a commitment fulfills what mere law simply can't? What did Jesus mean by "it is finished" if He did not complete what He set out to do (fulfill the Law)?
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Old 03-13-2020, 05:38 PM
 
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look again
It’s not there and you know it...
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Old 03-13-2020, 05:42 PM
 
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Accomplished-fulfilled. What does it mean that "love fulfills the Law?" What is so hard about the idea that a commitment to a principle is what is missing from imperfect law? That such a commitment fulfills what mere law simply can't? What did Jesus mean by "it is finished" if He did not complete what He set out to do (fulfill the Law)?
You just don’t understand the law because you are now lawless or without law...
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Old 03-13-2020, 05:59 PM
 
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It’s not there and you know it...
Hebrews 8:8 is quoting Jeremiah 31:31

The concept is what is being referred to

Jeremiah says both “houses” of Judah and Israel are rebellious

And in the latter days those “houses” will be brought together by God

That is the theme of the “messiah”

You are waiting for the Messiah, judgement, new age...... just like all the rest of the “nations”


Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Jer 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
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Old 03-13-2020, 06:17 PM
 
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Hebrews 8:8 is quoting Jeremiah 31:31

The concept is what is being referred to

Jeremiah says both “houses” of Judah and Israel are rebellious

And in the latter days those “houses” will be brought together by God

That is the theme of the “messiah”

You are waiting for the Messiah, judgement, new age...... just like all the rest of the “nations”


Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Jer 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
In post #18, Richard asked you; “We’re is verse 8 reflected in the TORAH?” Although I think he meant ‘WHERE’ and not We-are.

He’s pulling your chain mate. The ‘TORAH’ is the first five books of Moses, the Nevi’im are the books of the prophets, and Ketuvim (in Biblical Hebrew: כְּתוּבִים "writings") is the third and final section of the Tanakh, which is the Hebrew Bible.

And nowhere is Hebrew verse 8 reflected in the ‘TORAH.’ In the 'Tanakh,' yes, but not in the TORAH.
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Old 03-13-2020, 06:24 PM
 
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Accomplished-fulfilled. What does it mean that "love fulfills the Law?" What is so hard about the idea that a commitment to a principle is what is missing from imperfect law? That such a commitment fulfills what mere law simply can't? What did Jesus mean by "it is finished" if He did not complete what He set out to do (fulfill the Law)?
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You just don’t understand the law because you are now lawless or without law...
How is someone without the law or lawless, if they are following the principle or spirit of that law?
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Old 03-13-2020, 06:27 PM
 
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In post #18, Richard asked you; “We’re is verse 8 reflected in the TORAH?” Although I think he meant ‘WHERE’ and not We-are.

He’s pulling your chain mate. The ‘TORAH’ is the first five books of Moses, the Nevi’im are the books of the prophets, and Ketuvim (in Biblical Hebrew: כְּתוּבִים "writings") is the third and final section of the Tanakh, which is the Hebrew Bible.

And nowhere is Hebrew verse 8 reflected in the ‘TORAH.’ In the 'Tanakh,' yes, but not in the TORAH.
It’s ok

We all have imperfect ideas about God

I’m more interested in the exchange of ideas about what the scriptures as whole represent
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Old 03-13-2020, 06:48 PM
 
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How is someone without the law or lawless, if they are following the principle or spirit of that law?
With you again Jerwade, why would any Christian try to be put right by following the law that still has Richard imprisoned.

Galatians 5: 4; Those of you who try to be put right by obeying the law have cut themselves off from Christ. And are outside of God's Grace. Why would any Christian want to become slaves to the written law all over again? Why would they want to revert to paying special attention to certain days, months, seasons, and years?

Before the time for faith came, the law kept all locked up as prisoners, but Christ has set all those who put faith in his words, FREE from the prison in which many on this forum still remain as prisoners.

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