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What specifically do you feel is not being followed?
Imputed righteousness is a big one.
The idea that we have to keep re-presenting Jesus as a sacrifice is another. And it goes on and on and on.
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God is much bigger than just the NT, but again can you demonstrate/detail a specific teaching that contradicts scripture?
Infused vs. imputed righteousness.
We don't need grace infused into us like a blood transfusion because it keeps leaking out. Jesus took care of the problem once and for all. By his stripes we were healed. He made one sacrifice and then sat down. His righteousness is enough-- once and for all. Stop trying to add to what he did.
For a Christian sound doctrine should NOT be based on the Bible. It should be based on JESUS CHRIST who is the ONE and ONLY Word of God in existence. The term is LOGOS and it does NOT refer to words in the Bible. It refers to the "mind of Christ" as the True Nature and attitude of God. HE Divinely revealed and personally demonstrated it on the Cross!!!
You Bible worshipers are seriously misguided by following our ancestors' misinterpretation of Jesus using their belief in a wrathful and vengeful War God who needed to be appeased by blood sacrifices. Based on Jesus, God is neither wrathful nor vengeful and did not ever need to be appeased by blood sacrifices! It was our savage and brutal ancestors whose wrath and vengeance demanded Jesus be scourged and crucified, NOT God.
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Originally Posted by MissKate12
John 17:17 “Thy word is truth.”
Jesus constantly said, “It is written.”
You are basically saying the Bible is not trustworthy.
JESUS is the WORD!!! He is the ONE and ONLY Way, Truth, and Life, period, NOT the Bible.
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Originally Posted by Oakback
Don't see how you came to that conclusion.
I simply worship Jesus. Not scripture.
Amen! The ONE and ONLY Word of God (Logos) is Jesus. Nothing else is the Logos, certainly not the Bible. The Word of God does not refer to words written in ink. It is the "mind of Christ."
JESUS is the WORD!!! He is the ONE and ONLY Way, Truth, and Life, period, NOT the Bible.
Amen! The ONE and ONLY Word of God (Logos) is Jesus. Nothing else is the Logos, certainly not the Bible. The Word of God does not refer to words written in ink. It is the "mind of Christ."
You are always careful to capitalize the word 'Word' with reference to Jesus, but the word (lowercase 'w') of God has come to man in various forms. The writer of Revelation . . .John, made a distinction between Jesus and the 'word of God' 9Rev. 1:2). Old Testament prophets were the word of God in that they spoke on behalf of God to Israel. Dreams were the word of God. The apostles spread the word of God. Angels were the word of God to those to whom they were sent to deliver a message. This in no way takes away from Jesus being THE Word of God.
You are always careful to capitalize the word 'Word' with reference to Jesus, but the word (lowercase 'w') of God has come to man in various forms. The writer of Revelation . . .John, made a distinction between Jesus and the 'word of God' 9Rev. 1:2). Old Testament prophets were the word of God in that they spoke on behalf of God to Israel. Dreams were the word of God. The apostles spread the word of God. Angels were the word of God to those to whom they were sent to deliver a message. This in no way takes away from Jesus being THE Word of God.
Yep
There is a working together that did and was to happen in the flesh through the spirit
It is all through ‘man’ that things did happen, are happening, will happen
Imputed righteousness is a big one.
The idea that we have to keep re-presenting Jesus as a sacrifice is another. And it goes on and on and on.
Infused vs. imputed righteousness.
We don't need grace infused into us like a blood transfusion because it keeps leaking out. Jesus took care of the problem once and for all. By his stripes we were healed. He made one sacrifice and then sat down. His righteousness is enough-- once and for all. Stop trying to add to what he did.
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ?
The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
For as often as [we] eat this bread and drink the cup, [we] proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
That's 1 Cor10:16 and 1 Cor11:26 btw - seems rather scriptural to me, is it not?
Those verses aside, what about Rev 21:27 ? "But nothing unclean will ever enter it" [heaven]
You just pointed to where Roman Catholicism got Purgatory!
A) None of us will be perfect this side of heaven
B) Nothing unclean will enter heaven
C) Therefore there is something between here and heaven where we get made fully clean.
Of course they turned this conclusion into a whole complex system of penalties and years, and came up with indulgences to help those in Purgatory, which corrupted the entire church, but you hit the core of it.
The King James version is a translation of a translation. Why in the heck is this translation of a translation superior to other translations of translations is mind boggling. However like I said before believe anything you really want, it is free.
Not quite. Yes, it relied a great deal on a former English translation; yes, it relied a bunch on the Vulgate when they were uncertain; yes, it relied on the Septuagint when the Hebrew wasn't clear, but mostly they worked with the Greek text they had (which was an artificial construct put together by a Roman Catholic). So while it relied on three previous translations heavily (and another one or two here and there) it was actually a decent job of translating from the best original-language copies available.
This is a very interesting topic. I would also say that because of the interpretation of one word in a bible verse, that caused religions to split, and base their theology on how, in their opinion, think God intended that verse to be interpreted.
I have said this before, if you don't speak the original Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, we are basically trusting the committee of bible scholars who translated all of the different bible translations. I think that's part of the problem that contributes to the disunity in the body of Christ.
These two Christian books come to mind.
The New World Translation
The Book of Mormon
That's why I decided to learn ancient Greek and eventually Koine Greek: I'd hear ten different preachers say, "What the Greek really means is X", and hear twelve different explanations of "X". Now I can make my own translation and evaluate theirs.
Though we never quite got to speaking the original Greek, we did get to where when a professor read from the New Testament in chapel the reading was often done from the original and we could understand it.
You just pointed to where Roman Catholicism got Purgatory!
A) None of us will be perfect this side of heaven
B) Nothing unclean will enter heaven
C) Therefore there is something between here and heaven where we get made fully clean.
Of course they turned this conclusion into a whole complex system of penalties and years, and came up with indulgences to help those in Purgatory, which corrupted the entire church, but you hit the core of it.
There certainly were still some abuses occurred re: indulgences, but what are your thoughts on how/when sanctification/purification is completed?
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Amen! The ONE and ONLY Word of God (Logos) is Jesus. Nothing else is the Logos, certainly not the Bible. The Word of God does not refer to words written in ink. It is the "mind of Christ."
