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I do not agree with this theory. It is written, in all four 'gospels', " heaven and earth will pass away, but My word will not pass away." I would not dare to call God a liar!
I agree with Marianinark. God is a big enough God to protect His Word and keep it complete. Aside from a few translation errors between the newer versions, the Bible is wholly, and holy, complete. It didn't survive these thousands of years for men in our age to destroy it. God wouldn't allow that because His Word is His promise to us. His complete promise.
There are no "lost" books or books "missing" from the Bible. Every book that God intended and inspired to be in the Bible is in the Bible. There were many spiritual books that were written around the same time. Some have true accounts of things that happened, like 1 Maccabees, for example, but they weren't inspired of God, and that's the key. (The Gospel of Thomas was proven to be a forgery.)
Here's a quote from a book called, The Missing Gospels: Unearthing the Truth Behind Alternative Christianities by Darrell Bock.
Quote:
There is one God. The Bible has one Creator. It is one book. It has one plan of grace, recorded from initiation, through execution, to consummation. From predestination to glorification, the Bible is the story of God redeeming His chosen people for the praise of His glory. As God’s redemptive purposes and plan unfold in Scripture, the recurring themes constantly emphasized are: the character of God, the judgment for sin and disobedience, the blessing for faith and obedience, the Lord Savior and sacrifice for sin, and the coming kingdom and glory. It is God’s intention that we know and understand these five themes because our lives and eternal destinies depend on them. It is therefore unthinkable that God would allow some of this vital information to be “lost” in any way. No, the Bible is complete as it is so that we who read and understand it might also be “complete, and equipped for every good work." -- 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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Hi, I don't believe that the word of God can ever be destroyed, but I do believe that some translational errors have contributed to doctrinal errors. God bless.
So...are you going to rip out all the letters Paul wrote? If you do you will have a very small bible. And I believe that would come under 'taking away' from the word of God!!!!
Or taking away from the word of Paul. 2 ways to look at it I suppose. I must confess I place much greater weight with Jesus.. than I do Paul.
I do not agree with this theory. It is written, in all four 'gospels', " heaven and earth will pass away, but My word will not pass away." I would not dare to call God a liar!
My point was that His word is greater and more accomplished than just the bible. His word is in its fullness given through the power of the Holy Spirit, it is also written on our hearts.
Your smart not to call God a liar.
Here is some info. that I just came across in the Hebrew-Greek Key word study Bible that I use, on the passage in 1 Timothy. (Zodhiates)
"What did Paul want to teach in 1 Tim. 2:11. It was that a wife should display a tranquil spirit in her attempt to learn. ..If the word "heshuchia" meant complete silence, how could she ever learn or satisfy her hunger for knowledge if she did not have the opportunity to ask questions. ...Verse 12 is again poorly translated in the KJV. It should not be 'but I suffer not a woman to teach' but 'I suffer not a wife"..the word "gune" is here used as a 'wife' as in v. 11. ..(this is because the word stands opposite the word 'andros' (genitive singular) meaing 'husband' in this passage, not 'man') The word for 'teach ' here in Greek means to teach continuously.. Paul says, 'I do not want a wife to constantly teach." if she did, she would undermine her husband's position, giving the impression that she is the head of her husband..."
Or taking away from the word of Paul. 2 ways to look at it I suppose. I must confess I place much greater weight with Jesus.. than I do Paul.
It is apparent we have a totally differant understanding of where Paul got what he wrote. According to the scriptures, he was 'taught', i.e. inspired by both the Christ and the Holy Spirit. Since most of the New Testament came from Paul, and since Jesus said he would sent another comforter who would "guide you in all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said, that He takes of Mine, and will disclose it to you." John 16.13-15
John14.24-26 He who does not love Me, does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me. These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
So you see, when you reject the words of Paul ( and the rest of the New Testament writers) you are rejecting the words of God, Christ, and The Holy Spirit !!! What a dangerout thing to do !!!
According to the scriptures, he was 'taught', i.e. inspired by both the Christ and the Holy Spirit. Since most of the New Testament came from Paul, and since Jesus said he would sent another comforter who would "guide you in all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said, that He takes of Mine, and will disclose it to you." John 16.13-15
John14.24-26 He who does not love Me, does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me. These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
So you see, when you reject the words of Paul ( and the rest of the New Testament writers) you are rejecting the words of God, Christ, and The Holy Spirit !!! What a dangerout thing to do !!!
It is apparent we have a totally differant understanding of where Paul got what he wrote. According to the scriptures, he was 'taught', i.e. inspired by both the Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Aren't many people 'taught', i.e. inspired by both the Christ and the Holy Spirit? What makes Paul any different?
In the end..you are really following Paul's interpretation. Yes yes.. I know.. blashphemous.
Even Paul himself said: "Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!"
So do I pick and choose Paul's "teachings". I certainly do as I believe they were his interpretation. Anything that goes against what I believe Jesus was about.. I reject. One of those things is "division" of people which Paul clearly is doing when he says women can't be leaders in church.
It is apparent we have a totally differant understanding of where Paul got what he wrote. According to the scriptures, he was 'taught', i.e. inspired by both the Christ and the Holy Spirit. Since most of the New Testament came from Paul, and since Jesus said he would sent another comforter who would "guide you in all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said, that He takes of Mine, and will disclose it to you." John 16.13-15
Aren't many people 'taught', i.e. inspired by both the Christ and the Holy Spirit? What makes Paul any different?
In the end..you are really following Paul's interpretation. Yes yes.. I know.. blashphemous.
Even Paul himself said: "Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!"
So do I pick and choose Paul's "teachings". I certainly do as I believe they were his interpretation. Anything that goes against what I believe Jesus was about.. I reject. One of those things is "division" of people which Paul clearly is doing when he says women can't be leaders in church.
Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2nd Peter 3.15 and 16 NIV
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