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that topic is as wide as the atlantic ocean, but here is a scripture for you "God causes all things to come together for good for those that love him and are called according to His Purpose." Romans8
start what? His plan for mankind which is what I dare ask may be the "something" is going to end quite nicely for those who have not rejected the only begotten son of God and believed on Him ,for the redemption of sins and the promise of etenal life. '
If you read Relevation 20:15, it won't end nicely for those at the great White Throne Judgment. the scales are brought out , those under the law will be judged according to deeds, not faith in Christ. Since we can't keep the law there are no winners here. The good man, who was kind and went to church every sunday, but didn't know jesus Christ will be thrown out with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Ghegis Khan, Pol Pot, and Heinrich Himmler. REV 20 (read entire chapter)
3 stages of judgment
1) 2nd coming of Christ- dead in Christ go first form the grave, then those who remain alive who are HIS go next.
2) millenial reign of Christ followed by 1st resurrection of souls who died while satan was unchained
3) final battle and 2nd death, (death of the soul) and great white throne judgment- satan, fallen angels, all previous dead souls like Hitler, nice man who sat in second row who didn't know Christ but was good, the dragon, and rest of the tares that volunteered on every church committee and didn't know Christ. ( I'm making a point about works and grace)
" Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection, over such the second death has no power" Rev 20
Not many preachers like to talk about Revelation. Nor do many TV evangelists. If they did, things would sure be different.
God would not start something That would not turn out OK
If God's justice prevails then everything will turn out good in the end.
Agreed?
No?
Why?
That depends. How do we know what is ok? Should we not put all our trust in God? If God allows it then He has His reasons which will give Him the glory. He orchestrates everything for His good. If I lost my job then did not God will it and if He did would it not be for my good or ok?
Last edited by Fundamentalist; 03-13-2009 at 07:11 AM..
God would not start something That would not turn out OK
If God's justice prevails then everything will turn out good in the end.
Agreed?
No?
Why?
Well, it all depends on what you define as ok and what God is starting.. God's ways are not are ways, so God may start something and we may think that it would turn out differently than what we expected.
Sovereign power, infinite wisdom, mercy, and most of all - patience.
None of these do we possess, but if we would only seek to have our Father's heart, we might see that everything He does is excellent indeed. We have a saying that "everything God does is for the most good, for the most people, for the longest time" - but that's a rather simplistic view of a most awesome (and past finding out) Creator that "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will".
Our definition of "turning out ok" is pretty irrelevant, imo.
I pretty much figured on what the responses may be.
A hard-line Calvinist generally will say that billions wallowing in misery forever is great and if it seems bad to us then it's just the 'higher' ways of God that are not our ways. Very sad concept.
More moderate views say (basically) "I don't understand how all will be okay in the end considering the many humans who will ultimately be damned forever but I trust that God is good and just". In this second case it's based on trust, not necessarily on understanding how poor lost uncle Joe or aunt Sally being damned forever to misery is a good thing.
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