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This is what amoral, atheist thinking does - devalues human life so people are just objects, women become objects for being used like a disposable paper towel, and any laws that stand in the way are just man-made rules that were made to be broken. If they think they can get away with it, they will do it every time, people like that.
I'm willing to wager that you can find tons of examples of "god believing" rapists sitting in jail right now OR walking the earth freely. They grew up in church, read the bible, probably pray and might even be Christians. Thy know god will forgive them, right?
The word of God mandates capital punishment for certain kinds of crime. Murder of instance. Matthew 26:52 ''Those who take up the sword shall die by the sword.'' This is not a reference to a soldier, but to the criminal.
Rape is every bit as heinous a crime as murder. Criminals who commit these types of crimes should be executed. Not rehabilitated. Even if they could be rehabilitated, the fact remains that they must pay the price for what they did. And the penalty for some kinds of crime is death.
Well, I guess David Wilkerson should have just put a bullet through Nicky Cruz's head instead of reaching out to him. Great thinking Mike. I guess Jesus should have met Paul the apostle in the way and chopped his head off with a flaming sword? (Paul WAS a murderer).
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood".
That's Christianity 101.
Fundies say the damndest things.
Also take note that I acknowledged the seriousness of the crime and the need for full prosecution.
Well, I guess David Wilkerson should have just put a bullet through Nicky Cruz's head instead of reaching out to him. Great thinking Mike. I guess Jesus should have met Paul the apostle in the way and chopped his head off with a flaming sword? (Paul WAS a murderer).
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood".
That's Christianity 101.
Fundies say the damndest things.
Also take note that I acknowledged the seriousness of the crime and the need for full prosecution.
The first mention of capital punishment as a penalty for murder is mentioned in Gen. 9:6 (which was BEFORE the Mosiac Law) '' Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made He man.''
Capital punishment is carried over into the Mosiac Law where a number of different offences are punishable by death.
In the New Testament, Romans 13:1-4, affirms that the state-civil goverment, has the divinely ordained responsibility to keep law and order, and to protect its citizens against evil doers. The word 'sword' in verse 4, is a reference to capital punishment. By divine authority, the goverment has the responsiblity to invoke the death penalty for crimes that are worthy of death.
It is bleeding heart liberalism that rejects God's delegation of capital punishment to the civil authority, and seeks compassion for the murderer instead of justice.
It is bleeding heart liberalism that rejects God's delegation of capital punishment to the civil authority, and seeks compassion for the murderer instead of justice.
Just as in theology some just adhere to systems instead of stopping and thinking about the whys. I have a Catholic friend who says "Just kill 'em all and let God sort them out".
We have a system of justice to prosecute these matters but for a man of faith to only see the punishment side (in your view ETERNAL punishment) is lop sided. Remember - even under the law (which we are not) the weightier matters were judgement AND mercy.
Mike, I'm not stupid. I would not take these guys into my house, for instance. But I would definitely speak with them about the good news of Jesus if given the opportunity. I would not simply pull out a gun and kill them (as apparently you would).
Do you deny you are an equal sinner to these accused? Have you ever hated, for instance?
The first mention of capital punishment as a penalty for murder is mentioned in Gen. 9:6 (which was BEFORE the Mosiac Law) '' Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made He man.''
Capital punishment is carried over into the Mosiac Law where a number of different offences are punishable by death.
In the New Testament, Romans 13:1-4, affirms that the state-civil goverment, has the divinely ordained responsibility to keep law and order, and to protect its citizens against evil doers. The word 'sword' in verse 4, is a reference to capital punishment. By divine authority, the goverment has the responsiblity to invoke the death penalty for crimes that are worthy of death.
It is bleeding heart liberalism that rejects God's delegation of capital punishment to the civil authority, and seeks compassion for the murderer instead of justice.
So by the Mosaic law Jesus should've killed Paul instead of having mercy on him. Geez that god is a hypocrite!
Just as in theology some just adhere to systems instead of stopping and thinking about the whys. I have a Catholic friend who says "Just kill 'em all and let God sort them out".
We have a system of justice to prosecute these matters but for a man of faith to only see the punishment side (in your view ETERNAL punishment) is lop sided. Remember - even under the law (which we are not) the weightier matters were judgement AND mercy.
Mike, I'm not stupid. I would not take these guys into my house, for instance. But I would definitely speak with them about the good news of Jesus if given the opportunity. I would not simply pull out a gun and kill them (as apparently you would).
Do you deny you are an equal sinner to these accused? Have you ever hated, for instance?
Fundies say the darndest things!!!
I was referring to the implimentation of capital punishment by the state. Not vigilantism. The criminal who has committed a crime that warrents the death penalty should after being convicted, be either publically hanged, or shot, or some other suitably explicate way that may make other would be criminals stop and think. And it should be televised live.
You shouldn't make assumptions regarding what you think other people mean.
I was referring to the implimentation of capital punishment by the state. Not vigilantism. The criminal who has committed a crime that warrents the death penalty should after being convicted, be either publically hanged, or shot, or some other suitably explicate way that may make other would be criminals stop and think. And it should be televised live.
You shouldn't make assumptions regarding what you think other people mean.
Yes - very logical and I'm not even disputing that.
And still absolutely no mention of possible redemption for their souls. Just an eye for an eye. It's what people emphasize most that's so telling. And blood red fonts won't make statements any stronger or weaker - it the thought behind them.
What is being described is a natural system of justice with no apparent understanding of who or what the real enemy is. Hint: It is not these lost souls.
Yes - very logical and I'm not even disputing that.
And still absolutely no mention of possible redemption for their souls. Just an eye for an eye. It's what people emphasize most that's so telling. And blood red fonts won't make statements any stronger or weaker - it the thought behind them.
What is being described is a natural system of justice with no apparent understanding of who or what the real enemy is. Hint: It is not these lost souls.
All that's being addressed here is the matter of punishment for the crime committed. The issue of the criminal being witnessed to was not the issue being addressed. As I said. You shouldn't make assumptions about what you think other people mean.
I'm willing to wager that you can find tons of examples of "god believing" rapists sitting in jail right now OR walking the earth freely. They grew up in church, read the bible, probably pray and might even be Christians. Thy know god will forgive them, right?
I never said atheists committed this rape. Moderator cut: Deleted as rude/attacking
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