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The only correct interpretation of human history is dispensational. In order for a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ to properly orient himself to his place in God's plan, it is essential to understand the dispensational nature of God's dealings with mankind. With that in mind, for whoever may be interested, I have provided this link with the following information.
There are many dispensation here that are diffrent than other ideas, here these scholars have; Theocentric dispensation; the age of the gentile and the Jew,,,,,,,; Christocentric Dispensation; Lord Jesus Christ Church, Hypostatic union,,,,,,,,,,,,;Eschatological Dispensation , Tribulation, Millennium......By Robert McLaughlin Bible Ministries.............. Other Dispensation ideas are ; Innocence dispensation; Conscience dispensation; Human government dispensation, Promise dispensation, Law dispensation, Grace dispensation, Kingdom dispensation; by Middletown Bible Church ... The Eschatological or the Kingdom dispensation are just around the corner, so get plenty of annointing oil
Ironically, dispensation is one of the crucial aspects of those who believe He will have all men to be saved. Christ the First Fruits, then every man in his own order.
Ironically, dispensation is one of the crucial aspects of those who believe He will have all men to be saved. Christ the First Fruits, then every man in his own order.
1 Corinthians 15:23 has nothing to do with the false doctrine of universalism. It is talking about the order of resurrection of believers in Christ. This is the first resurrection which takes place in stages and again concerns only those who are saved. It is further spoken of in Revelation 20:4-6.
The resurrection of unbelievers, those who will spend eternity in the lake of fire is mentioned in Daniel 12:2 'And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life (first resurrection), but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt (The second resurrection).
John 5:28-29 speaks also of the resurrection of unbelievers. ''Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, 29) and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life (first resurrection) those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. (second resurrection). [The word 'deeds' is not found in the original, but was added by the translators. 'Those who did the good' refers to those who believe in Christ, while 'those who commited the evil' refers to those who rejected Christ.]
Those who are a part of the second resurrection-unbelievers, appear before the Great White throne judgment which is described in Revelation 20:11-15. The second resurrection takes place at the end of the Millennium or Kingdom age.
Both Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28,29 deal with both the first and second resurrections without dealing with the separation of time beween the two events.
1 Corinthians 15:23 has nothing to do with the false doctrine of universalism. It is talking about the order of resurrection of believers in Christ. This is the first resurrection which takes place in stages and again concerns only those who are saved. It is further spoken of in Revelation 20:4-6.
The resurrection of unbelievers, those who will spend eternity in the lake of fire is mentioned in Daniel 12:2 'And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life (first resurrection), but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt (The second resurrection).
John 5:28-29 speaks also of the resurrection of unbelievers. ''Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, 29) and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life (first resurrection) those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. (second resurrection). [The word 'deeds' is not found in the original, but was added by the translators. 'Those who did the good' refers to those who believe in Christ, while 'those who commited the evil' refers to those who rejected Christ.]
Those who are a part of the second resurrection-unbelievers, appear before the Great White throne judgment which is described in Revelation 20:11-15. The second resurrection takes place at the end of the Millennium or Kingdom age.
Both Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28,29 deal with both the first and second resurrections without dealing with the separation of time beween the two events.
Mike, I submit to you that the truth cannot be attained by skimming over the endless mystery of God's plan for the ages. It cannot be summed up briefly, but includes these points:
First, that it is God's will by a first-born seed, "the first-born from the dead," to save and bless the later born; that in this seed (which is Christ's body) all the kindreds of the earth shall be blessed; the elect being the means - in God's hand - to reach and save others.
Secondly, that this will of God is only worked out through successive ages or dispensations, or to use the language of St. Paul, "according to the purpose of the ages;" the times and seasons of the law, especially the times which make up the jubilee, being the type or shadow of the ages of the gospel.
And, thirdly, that in fulfilling this purpose, it is God's will, who thus and thus only meets the peculiar nature of our fall and departure from Him, to make death, judgment, and destruction, the means and way, as we see in the cross, to life, acquittal, and salvation.
Mike, I submit to you that the truth cannot be attained by skimming over the endless mystery of God's plan for the ages. It cannot be summed up briefly, but includes these points:
First, that it is God's will by a first-born seed, "the first-born from the dead," to save and bless the later born; that in this seed (which is Christ's body) all the kindreds of the earth shall be blessed; the elect being the means - in God's hand - to reach and save others.
Secondly, that this will of God is only worked out through successive ages or dispensations, or to use the language of St. Paul, "according to the purpose of the ages;" the times and seasons of the law, especially the times which make up the jubilee, being the type or shadow of the ages of the gospel.
And, thirdly, that in fulfilling this purpose, it is God's will, who thus and thus only meets the peculiar nature of our fall and departure from Him, to make death, judgment, and destruction, the means and way, as we see in the cross, to life, acquittal, and salvation.
The truth doesn't need to be attained. The truth has already been revealed in the word of God.
One example of that revelation is John 3:36 'He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.' The meaning is crystal clear.
There is nothing mysterious about God's plan for the ages. It too has been revealed. See my thread on the 'Angelic Conflict'. Futhermore, reread the link which is the topic of this thread.
Both Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28,29 deal with both the first and second resurrections without dealing with the separation of time beween the two events.
The reason they (Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28,29)don't is because just maybe...jusy maybe there isn't time between the two.
There is only 1 return, 1 resurrection. The correct view is to not add words where none are spoken.
''Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice,"
That is what makes millenniumism just as false. It goes against the "theif in the night" spoken by Jesus. It invents time lines, looks for news head lines and then point to some verse looking for the fullfilment. 2 returns, 2 ressurections are cleverly made up stories. Every turn of the century brings out the "Jack Van Impe's", the Lindsey's.
Is it not a tad bit arrogant to think that Revelation was only written for those living in 2010?....try convincing those that they were wrong who lived in 1000, 1200, 1500, 1800, 1900.
Jesus compared the end to Noah. Some of the comparison lessons are:
There was ample time for repentance.
There was only 1 flood event, there will be only 1 return
All mankind was judged once at the flood, there will be 1 judgement of all at the return
Only a few where saved....not all, only a few will be saved at the end of time
It came without notice, however it was obvious that judgement approaching.
Those not saved will remain in their judged status...condemned for ever and ever.
Be prepared!
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The truth doesn't need to be attained. The truth has already been revealed in the word of God.
One example of that revelation is John 3:36 'He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.' The meaning is crystal clear.
There is nothing mysterious about God's plan for the ages. It too has been revealed. See my thread on the 'Angelic Conflict'. Futhermore, reread the link which is the topic of this thread.
To that, I'll repeat what I said in the "revelations" thread:
God's "additional" revelation is revealing what His written word says. The written word can be translated 1000 different ways, but the Spirit will not lead us astray from what it says. He will simply reveal the truth that is otherwise a mystery - the Bible is a spiritual book about God (who is spirit) and our spirit. His spirit is the only one that can reveal truth.
As we grow in His knowledge (about Him and in Him), we will see things that were there all along, but couldn't receive them - not for an unknown reason, but that we haven't yet been conformed to His image by the renewing of our mind, and the flesh has not been dealt with at that time.As the cross is applied to us, we are able to accept what is otherwise an offense to the carnal mind.
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These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14)
I believe that in the Garden of Eden, God dealt with Man within a very specific context.
After Man left the Garden, there was a period of time, a time of Patriarchs, when God dealt with Man in a manner which was different than it had been in the Garden.
God did not change, the manner in which God and Man dealt with each other changed.
Then there came a time when Man clearly needed more guidance, Man was given The Law. What followed was a period when God dealt with Man in yet another manner.
Again God did not change, only the context of how He dealt with Man changed.
And so it goes. There was a time when the Redeemer walked on Earth, He Judged and He was judged. This was a different dispensation.
Then after the last Passover Lamb was sacrificed, we have a period of Grace.
The reason they (Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28,29)don't is because just maybe...jusy maybe there isn't time between the two.
There is only 1 return, 1 resurrection. The correct view is to not add words where none are spoken.
''Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice,"
That is what makes millenniumism just as false. It goes against the "theif in the night" spoken by Jesus. It invents time lines, looks for news head lines and then point to some verse looking for the fullfilment. 2 returns, 2 ressurections are cleverly made up stories. Every turn of the century brings out the "Jack Van Impe's", the Lindsey's.
Is it not a tad bit arrogant to think that Revelation was only written for those living in 2010?....try convincing those that they were wrong who lived in 1000, 1200, 1500, 1800, 1900.
Jesus compared the end to Noah. Some of the comparison lessons are:
There was ample time for repentance.
There was only 1 flood event, there will be only 1 return
All mankind was judged once at the flood, there will be 1 judgement of all at the return
Only a few where saved....not all, only a few will be saved
It came without notice, however it was obvious that judgement approaching.
Those not saved will remain in their judged status...condemned for ever and ever.
Be prepared!
Since the Bible states that the resurrection of believers is the FIRST resurrection (Rev. 20:6), that means there is a Second resurrection. That second resurrection is described in Revelation 20:13 'And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14) And death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. 15) And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
You have only to read Revelation 20:4-5 to see that there is a thousand year difference between two stages of the first resurrection. And neither of those stages deal with the rapture of the church which occurs before either of the two stages mentioned in Revelation 20:4-5.
Read the link on dispensations and study it. If you disagree with it then you disagree with it. Your disagreement doesn't alter the facts.
Until 1948 the nation Israel did not exist since the dispersion of the Jews in A.D. 70. I did a thread which I think I called 'Israel regathered', which provides several hours of audio lessons which explains the significance of Israel being back in the land.
This establishes that we are near the end of the church age dispensation.
The resurrected church is seen in Heaven after having been raptured prior to the Tribulation, in Revelation 19:7. The church has been raptured, the judgment seat of Christ has already taken place and now, in Rev. 19:7 ''...the bride has made herself ready.'' 8) And it was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.'' (Verse 8 is a reference to the Judgment seat of Christ which has already occured as of this verse.) In Revelation 19:11 Christ is getting ready to return to the earth at the end of the Tribulation and the church-His bride, is returning with Him.
Notice that in Matthew 25 'But when the Son of Man comes in His glory (the Second Advent),and all the angels with Him,' no believers have been 'caught up into the air to be with the Lord.' 1Thess. 4:13-18. That (the rapture) will have happened more than seven years prior to the events of Matthew 25. Instead, the nations consisting of both unbelievers and believers will be gathered before Christ. The surviving Tribulational believers of those nations will be gathered on the right side of Christ, and the surviving unbelievers of the Tribulation will be placed on His left, and they will be ordered into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41,46) . The surviving Tribulational believers will then populate the Millennial Kingdom in their mortal bodies.
The church age believers will have returned with Christ in their resurrected bodies and those previously resurrected church age believers who overcame, will rule with Christ during His Millennial reign (Revelation 2:26.)
To deny dispensations, including the Millennium, is to completely ignore what the Bible says about the matter. The link provided goes into detail about what the scriptures say about it.
Open your eyes those of you who deny the Pre-Tribulational rapture of the church. Rightly divide the word of truth.
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