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I believe i have blasphemed against God and is scared. I was reading what blasphemy is and some unholy words towards God appeared in my head. Words that i would never say from my mouth. I have been having this uneasy feeling with me and is scared. I dont know what to do, because i believe that words thought are just as good as words spoken. I have cried because i am worried, afraid, scared that i may have condemned my soul to hell for my thoughts. I am 27 I believe in God; I haven't been baptized. I have been inquisitive about God and is trying to learn. I don't go to church like i should but i have been recently. Can someone help me? or am i unsaveable
We are ALL saved because we have nothing to do with it. Jesus did it for us. There is no hell to worry about, but if you are unloving and cruel , , . you will reap whatever you sow if you do not repent.
Anyway, a couple of nights ago I was in a depressive mood when I thought about God I could only see him as being angry, and wrathful; i.e. that part of his personality. I felt he was merciless and hard to talk to. I know I shouldn't have been dwelling so much on it, but I continued to. Anyway, it got to the point where I thought that maybe God wasn't essentially good.
God has full foreknowledge of all things. Why would He become angry when things turn out exactly as He has always known that they would? This would be like watching the Wizard of Oz over and over, and then becoming angry each time it is revealed that the wizard is a "humbug," and a phony who cannot deliver on his promises. But God ALWAYS delivers on His promises, does He not? If things ever turned out differently from the way God always knew they would, then God would have failed to be omniscient. Lord knows THAT would never happen. Everything that occurs, no matter how horrific, must necessarily have always been a part of His plan. If God chooses to slaughter babies, for example, that must necessarily be a GOOD thing in the mind of a believer. It does give some insight into why non believers tend to hold believers and their beliefs in such great disdain however.
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Now I know he is, and believe that fully, but at the time, the Devil used fear to trick or try to convince me into believing otherwise. It's hard to explain; a part of me knew I was being deceived, yet a part of me - the fearful part - had the FEELING I was convinced it was true. This led to me thinking about the verses in the Bible where Jesus talks about the sin that will not be forgiven, and then I thought about the Holy Spirit. If God might not be good, and even evil, what if the Holy Spirit was? At the time I seemed to be convinced the Holy Spirit was somehow sinister; not that he was the Devil or anything, but that he wasn't all good and all Holy. I knew, deep down, these thoughts were false, and it seemed like someone else was putting them in there. For what seemed like 10 whole minutes I thought I believed this dreadful lie. I prayed to the Lord to deliver me, and after those 10 minutes I seemed to recover and the thought seemed so absurd and unbelievable. Yet there still remained a seed of doubt: 'what if?'
Notice that if God is the creator of all things, then He created Satan with His own hand. And He did so in full knowledge of what Satan was, because He created Satan with His own hand and gets exactly the results He intends to get, and He knew in perfect detail would Satan would be, and would do. So, who is ultimately responsible for evil; God or Satan?
If some religious person which you personally respected as a "man of God," told you that it was "God's Will" for you to kill babies and small children, would you comply? If God spoke to you personally, in your head, and ordered you to disembowel and behead babies and small children, would you comply? Who gets to decided what is "good" and what isn't, you or God? Also, notice that so called "cults" very often commit horrific acts in the name of their beliefs. So which is really the more "holy?" Strict conformity to what you are told by others, or having a mind of your own, and acting on your own good judgement?
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I apologize if this was a bit long. I can't concentrate or think of anything else, it is tormenting me. I read up alot on the websites, and sometimes fear my case is different because I seemed to be convinced of my thoughts. Once again, they did not seem my own; in my heart I fought against them, resisted them, but evil powers seemed to overwhelm me at that point. I still held on and held out through the power and grace of God, yet I am still paranoid that that single THOUGHT was unforgivable. I feared it reflected some deep seated belief in my heart. I have read many interpretations of what the sin is, but I am paranoid that thinking something blasphemous about the Holy Spirit, even if you didn't mean it, is unforgivable. Please put my mind to rest!
You are caught in the logical paradox that exists in many religions, but which is especially profound in Christianity. Belief in an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator God who is all good is logically contradicted by the existence, according to your beliefs, of an evil being named Satan, as well as the terrible things that happen to people, both bad people and God loving people, with the same apparent frequency. If God exists, and His people struggle earnestly to love and obey Him, shouldn't bad things only happen to bad people?
God brought Adam and Eve and the serpent together in the Garden of Eden knowing full well and in precise detail what would occur, and then He condemned all sides to lives of pain and suffering when what can only be seen as his original plan reached it's fruition. Is this how a "loving" father treats his children? I reached the conclusion that this view of reality held by devoted Christians was simply too self contradictory and smelled far too much like total fulla bulla to be true when I was about 13 years old. You may be just getting to that point now yourself. The question for you now is, will you continue to think this out for yourself and act in accordance with a logical result fairly reached? Or will you force it from your mind and continue to believe as you have always been told to believe? Which is exactly what cult members do!
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I believe i have blasphemed against God and is scared. I was reading what blasphemy is and some unholy words towards God appeared in my head. Words that i would never say from my mouth. I have been having this uneasy feeling with me and is scared. I dont know what to do, because i believe that words thought are just as good as words spoken. I have cried because i am worried, afraid, scared that i may have condemned my soul to hell for my thoughts. I am 27 I believe in God; I haven't been baptized. I have been inquisitive about God and is trying to learn. I don't go to church like i should but i have been recently. Can someone help me? or am i unsaveable
Toshiie, with regard to the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, the 'unforgiveable sin' (Matthew 12:22-32; Mark 3:22-30), Jesus was addressing the unbelieving Pharisees who were accusing Him of performing His miracles by the power of Satan rather than by the Holy Spirit. They were accusing Jesus of having an unclean spirit. It is this that Jesus specifically stated to be blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which was tantamount to the Pharisees rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. The thought is not that having made that accusation about Jesus the Pharisees could not be saved and were eternally doomed, but rather that as long as they continued to deny that Jesus was the Messiah they remained in a lost condition. Anyone who dies never having received Christ as Savior will be eternally separated from God. But at any time while a person is alive on this earth he is free to receive Jesus as Savior.
If you have received Jesus as your Savor, that is, if you have believed that Jesus died for your sins and rose again, and have therefore simply trusted in Jesus alone to save you, then you have been justified by faith and have eternal life and cannot lose it for any reason. John 6:35-40 is a good eternal security passage.
John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36] "But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37] "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38] "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39] "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40] "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Commenting on 6:38-40 of the above passage, the Bible Knowledge Commentary states;
6:38-39. Jesus then repeated His claim about His heavenly origin. The reason He came down from heaven was to do the will of the Father who sent Him. The Father's will is that those whom He gives to the Son will not suffer a single loss and all will be raised to life in the resurrection (cf. vv.40, 44, 54). This passage is strong in affirming the eternal security of the believer. 6:40. This verse repeats and reinforces the ideas of the previous verses. One who looks and believes on Jesus for salvation has his destiny secure. The divine decree has insured it (cf. Rom. 8:28-30). He has eternal life (John 6:47, 50-51, 54, 58) and will be raised at the last day (cf. vv. 39, 44, 54). [The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p. 296]
Another eternal security passage is Romans 6:3-8.
Romans 6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4] Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6] knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7] for he who has died is freed from sin. 8] Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
The baptism of which Romans 6:3 speaks is not the ritual of water baptism, but the baptism of the Holy Spirit which except for a few exceptions at the beginning of the Church-age which was a transitional period, all believers are baptized by the Holy Spirit into union with Christ at the moment of faith in Christ and in which the believer is identified with Jesus in His death, burial, and resurrection. And having been so identified with Christ, having died with Christ, the believer will also live with Christ. The believer in Christ Jesus is eternally secure. All believers have died with Christ and so all believer will live with Christ.
Sin in the believer's life can have consequences in time, in the believer's life, in the form of discipline (Hebrews 12:4-9), and the believer can miss out on certain eternal rewards (2 John 1:8), but no matter how much the believer sins he can never lose his eternal salvation (John 6:35-40; Romans 6:3-8).
I hope you read this and take it to heart. If you have received Jesus as Savior then you are already eternally saved and can never lose your salvation.
I believe i have blasphemed against God and is scared. I was reading what blasphemy is and some unholy words towards God appeared in my head. Words that i would never say from my mouth. I have been having this uneasy feeling with me and is scared. I dont know what to do, because i believe that words thought are just as good as words spoken. I have cried because i am worried, afraid, scared that i may have condemned my soul to hell for my thoughts. I am 27 I believe in God; I haven't been baptized. I have been inquisitive about God and is trying to learn. I don't go to church like i should but i have been recently. Can someone help me? or am i unsaveable
I am agnostic today. I used to believe.
I suffered from this condition first in 2001 when reading that passage about blasphemy against the holy spirit. As soon as I read it my head couldn't stop thinking about offensive things to say. As days went by the fear increased and the offensive thoughts increased too. I was always trying to stop these thoughts from forming a complete sentence in my head. One Sunday evening, I was too distressed and afraid and, suddenly a complete offensive thought formed in my head, I could not stop it and immediately felt condemned. I could not hide it anymore and burst out in tears in front of my mother. She hugged me and told me not to think that way. I went to bed early that Sunday feeling very sad. I tried to forget that episode from then on but the sadness and fear still were there haunting me. I tried to hold on to my beliefs despite me feeling already condemned. No one knew this about me except for my mother obviously. I remember my evangelical friends always invited me to their church. I sometimes would go with them but I felt condemned and undeserving of being there because of the offensive thought I once couldn't stop in my head. Whenever there were manifestations at church the offensive thoughts came back at me causing me to fear again but I managed not to let others know what was going on in my mind.
Years went by and I could forget about that epsiode in my life to some extent. In 2010 this condition came back and it attacked me more strongly causing me more sadness and depression. It was a Sunday morning when thoughts kept coming to my head and I was fighting them not to let them form complete sentences. I felt like I was losing control over me and had to wake my mother up and ask her to bring an evangelical pastor to our home, My mother had already forgotten that previous episode and this new one made her remember. My mother felt shocked when she saw me so out of my mind. Both my mother and I thought I was kind of being possesed because I felt I was losing control over my mind. I remember I squeezed the sheets in my hands trying to block those thoughts.
The pastor of the evagelical church I used to go with my evangelical friends was off so she called my evangelical friends. They came home and I explained to them, as much as my condition would allow me to what was going on. They said it was spirits tormenting me because they knew God was looking for me and that they usually try to oppose God when he is looking for someone.
This condition caused me to start staying silent because I felt that any words might be offensive against the Holy Spirit, I remember this battle in my mind like two identities fighting over what will be the real intention behind every word I could utter. It was tremendously stressful because my mind was consuming all my energy. My mind worked really fast even before thinking of any words to say.
That year I began to attend the evangelical church seeking relief. The pastor told me not to fear, those thoughts were attacks because God wanted me. Even though I found a home in the church nothing stopped those thoughts. I would cry almost everyday feeling condemned for having those offensive thoughts, especially when manifestations occurred. Men at church with the gift to treat this condtiton always put their hands on my head rebuking demons in the name of God but the thoughts kept coming back.
One day I decided to understand my condition. I searched for information from psychology. I soon learnt that I was suffering from Religious Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I learnt that it is thought that some people are genetically predisposed to this condition but other factors can contribute to developing this condition. During my childhood I was subject to some forms of psychological abuse through fear. Parents sometimes don't know how to deal with their children and some times they don't choose the right methods to raise them. I grew up with some of the consequences psychological abuse can cause to a child. I was also very puritan. Also, I was repressing my homosexuality which led me to think very poorly of myself, I had very low self-esteem because religious indoctrination made me feel bad about this. All these factors contributed to develop this condition known as Religious Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that manifested itself when reading the passage about the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
In 2011 and decided to leave the church because it wasn't helping me and other things I saw made me disappointed in the church and faith.
When I began to understand my condition from the perspective of psychology and looking back on my background, my conditon slowly began to retreat. It did it at a slow pace, but finally I was recovering my mind.
This condition has stopped ruining my life, it is very much in control and I managed to start living a more normal life. I started to socialise with my family and friends again and pursue my goals in life. This condition is not fully gone, it haunts me sometimes, sometimes those thoughts and the fear visit me, but they don't have control over me anymore and they may come once of twice in year.
You may feel very distressed today, but you can overcome this condition and regain your normal life. If it helps, I would recomend you start understanding this from the perspective of psychology, that there are psyhcological factors that lead some of us to develop this condition, but with udersderstanding, knowledge and therapy you can defeat it and recover your life.
Seek psychological help, explain this to your family and friends so that they can provide you the strength and support you may need. Also understand that all this is a psychological condition, we are predisposed psychologically, there aren't any spirits tormenting you; it is all a psychological condition that can be defeated. The more you fear the more the thoughts have control over you.
I hope you gather the strength and start fighting it because you can. I did it^^
This thread has reminded me to do a lot of things.....
1. Seek proper context of scripture. I am nowhere near a Bible expert. Too many of us, myself included, have read a passage and allowed ourselves to completely, though inadvertently, misinterpret its meaning. I want, and pray for, a more accurate understanding of scripture.
2. If I'm in a depressed place, seek some help, spiritural and professional. I'm glad there are those in this thread who suggest this. There was once upon a time where many of us of faith were in denial of mental illness. I'm glad that more people in 2015 have accepted the revelation. I'm all for faith and works coming together!
The Mega-church doesn't talk about blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT!
I'm pretty sure a major blasphemous demon was unleashed in 2007 because a lot of ppl have been hearing those blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT demons.
You will have to get hands laid on you (MANY) times! Fasting/Prayer! Those voices do go away but sometimes it takes years!
I know it can be difficult for ppl to sleep & sometimes ppl dont just hear the demons in the mind but they also see them & they attack them physically!
no matter how hard they hit you physically or mentally (don't speak against the HOLY SPIRIT).
satan sometimes tries to mentally confuse you into thinking you no longer have the HOLY SPIRIT but you do!
Certain things (can) happen if the sin is done!
your countenance becomes more demonic!
you do more satanic handsigns
you become MASSIVELY DELUSIONAL (Creflo dollar [can you lose your salvation part 2 approx 12min in = because he said he spoke against the HOLY SPIRIT & just about the whole church thought it was a joke]
MOST ppl who blasphemy the HOLY SPIRIT still think they are saved = Delusional! Honest Truth!
while MOST ppl who (think) they actually blasphemed the SPIRIT are still saved!
I've seen a lot of ppl doing this sin lately because that sin happens to ppl who are usually Ecc7:16-18(NIV)
Try to be TOO good (remember they are trying out of their own strength NT GODS & they end up failing)
Try to be TOO evil (they go too off the bridge w/ the satanism)
If you are a person hearing/seeing these blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT demons & you fight them till they leave you can honestly say I #Beat the hardest levels demons satan has & nobody can stop me!
In the realm to come you w/ be in the highest league of humans that ever lived! = Str8 BOSS!
I'm a Christian but I have to admit I'm not always very faithful. Anyway, for awhile now I have been suffering from anxiety, partly caused by obsessive religion thoughts. They main centered on God's character; I would obsess about his justice, the fact he would send people to hell, ideas like pre-destination, the evil in the world, the fact when Christ returns he will judge the world violently, as in Revelation. Sometimes I would get so fearful I would forget the loving part of his nature and he would appear almost like an ogre in my mind. I always tried to dam up these thoughts before they would drive me insane.
Anyway, a couple of nights ago I was in a depressive mood when I thought about God I could only see him as being angry, and wrathful; i.e. that part of his personality. I felt he was merciless and hard to talk to. I know I shouldn't have been dwelling so much on it, but I continued to. Anyway, it got to the point where I thought that maybe God wasn't essentially good. Now I know he is, and believe that fully, but at the time, the Devil used fear to trick or try to convince me into believing otherwise. It's hard to explain; a part of me knew I was being deceived, yet a part of me - the fearful part - had the FEELING I was convinced it was true. This led to me thinking about the verses in the Bible where Jesus talks about the sin that will not be forgiven, and then I thought about the Holy Spirit. If God might not be good, and even evil, what if the Holy Spirit was? At the time I seemed to be convinced the Holy Spirit was somehow sinister; not that he was the Devil or anything, but that he wasn't all good and all Holy. I knew, deep down, these thoughts were false, and it seemed like someone else was putting them in there. For what seemed like 10 whole minutes I thought I believed this dreadful lie. I prayed to the Lord to deliver me, and after those 10 minutes I seemed to recover and the thought seemed so absurd and unbelievable. Yet there still remained a seed of doubt: 'what if?'
I was mortified that I had somehow thought something so offensive, so false and abominable about the Holy Spirit, that I had commited blasphemy in thought. I worried and worried, until the fear returned the next day, and the same thing happened. If I worried I did it and was damned forever the Devil would put the idea into my head that 'God is Evil'; it seemed so because he would cause me so much pain. Yet still I realised his holiness and his omnipotence; yet because of the fear he caused, the fearing part of my mind associated him with a sort of dreadfulness; I almost felt like one opposing God, even though I have never, ever wanted to or even felt tempted to, always understood who he was and his essential goodness. It was like I was experiencing the fear of his wrath. That flash when I felt God seemed evil made me think I had commited the sin. I feared that the Holy Spirit might have left me because I had become His enemy!
This, too, seemed to last about 10-15 minutes. Then the thoughts largely left me; but would still nag me from time to time. The attacks seemed to come out of the blue, and cause me to panic.
Even though I had no control over the thoughts, I sincerely repent of them and having the negative thoughts that preceded them. I prayed and tried to calm myself by reading the Bible, and don't THINK I have, but I still worry about WHAT IF? I can honestly say I had no control over my thoughts; it was like, when I was having them I couldn't believe I was having them. I sincerely believe Satan was using them to doubt my own attitude towards God; what I worry is, that even if I did it out of ignorance or fear (like the Pharisees) it would still be unacceptable and unforgivable. I think it would grossly unfair because I really didn't do it willfully at all, and all I want is to feel the same love and the dwelling of the Spirit. Yet I feel I have so shamed him that he would not dwell in me anymore, and I can't have the same love anymore.
I apologize if this was a bit long. I can't concentrate or think of anything else, it is tormenting me. I read up alot on the websites, and sometimes fear my case is different because I seemed to be convinced of my thoughts. Once again, they did not seem my own; in my heart I fought against them, resisted them, but evil powers seemed to overwhelm me at that point. I still held on and held out through the power and grace of God, yet I am still paranoid that that single THOUGHT was unforgivable. I feared it reflected some deep seated belief in my heart. I have read many interpretations of what the sin is, but I am paranoid that thinking something blasphemous about the Holy Spirit, even if you didn't mean it, is unforgivable. Please put my mind to rest!
Thankyou and God Bless,
John
Since when the Temple becomes a pantheon?
You are afraid of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. And I am afraid of blaspheming GOD, which is supposedly the Father of the children.
We are ALL saved because we have nothing to do with it. Jesus did it for us. There is no hell to worry about, but if you are unloving and cruel , , . you will reap whatever you sow if you do not repent.
That statement goes beyond personal belief. You are making a truth claim in public.
We are ALL saved because we have nothing to do with it. Jesus did it for us. There is no hell to worry about, but if you are unloving and cruel , , . you will reap whatever you sow if you do not repent.
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That statement goes beyond personal belief. You are making a truth claim in public.
I see that you made your post in 2010. I just ran across it today. I do hope you are feeling much better and that your fears have been allayed. But, please allow me to share some thoughts with you.
I think someone already mentioned this, but it bears repeating. At the time of your post, you were very concerned about blasphemy and offending God. Anytime we are still that concerned about disappointing or offending God (or just anyone in general), please trust that the Holy Spirit has not left you. Should the Holy Spirit ever leave you, you will be cold as ice in thought, manner, and action. You will no longer hear that small, still voice speaking to your heart. We see people today that can murder someone and not give it a second thought. They have no remorse at all. A person with the Holy Spirit in their life would not be able to do that. So, with all the concern that you had at the time of your post, I think it's safe to say that the Holy Spirit was still by your side. Otherwise you would not have been that concerned.
Another thing to remember is that the Holy Spirit doesn't just up and leave a person when they stumble or make a mistake. We're all going to make mistakes. But God is a forgiving God if we ask for forgiveness in sincerity. None of us are perfect. If we were perfect, Jesus would not have had to die on that cross. That doesn't mean that we can plan to do wrong and then tell our self that we can just simply ask God for forgiveness and He will forgive. That would kind of be like mocking God. Sometimes we just inadvertently make mistakes and stumble. It shouldn't be planned. But when we do stumble, God will certainly forgive. How the Holy Spirit leaves us is when we continuously push Him away by refusing His guidance. If we do that, at some point we will grieve the Spirit away. And none of us know at what point that will be. So, it is better not to gamble with that. It would be an expensive price to pay!
And you are right about Satan using fear to cause us to doubt. DOUBT is his best playground, and he will certainly use it to his advantage. Just know that God is a loving God, but we determine our own fate. That's not God sending us to that burning fire. If we end up there, it's because we have asked to be there by our actions and deeds. A good analogy is a disobedient child. When the child breaks one of the parent's rules and is punished, whose fault is it? It's not the parent's fault that they disobeyed and have to be punished. It's the child's fault. It works the same way with us and God. It's our own fault if we are disobedient to God. God just simply carries out the punishment. And the punishment is death for those who choose the other side. We already know this in advance. It's not some surprise that God springs on us at the last minute. We know what our fate is depending on which route we take, the broad road or the straight and narrow.
There are only two sides, no in-between. We either are with God or against Him. Besides, some people don't want to go to heaven. And God being the loving God that He is does not force them to go.
Anyway, I hope this has been helpful.
God bless and keep you,
Candy
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