Great Letter Showing Support for Street Car (Cincinnati, Findlay: apartment, city hall)

[flashes1]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

It's a real stretch to say that noting someone's age and gender = racism and prejudice.

Ageism and sexism are the very definition of prejudice and they are just as powerful to those affected as racism. I question why did he bring up the dissenters' ages and genders unless to put them down?

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by flashes1

Ageism and sexism are the very definition of prejudice and they are just as powerful to those affected as racism. I question why did he bring up the dissenters' ages and genders unless to put them down?

Again, Red Herring.

[rrtechno]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Again, Red Herring.

Facts to substantiate this statement?

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by rrtechno

Facts to substantiate this statement?

Are we actually discussing the issues detailed in the letter? Or are discussing the distracting from the issue topic of how the author used "a small number of retired elderly ladies," when referring to a small number of retired elderly ladies? And somehow this was equated to racism and prejudice against gays.

Red herring is an English-language idiom, a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the issue.

I then quoted points for discussion, but somehow they have been ignored in favor of "retired elderly ladies."

[Chemistry_Guy]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Are we actually discussing the issues detailed in the letter? Or are discussing the distracting from the issue topic of how the author used "a small number of retired elderly ladies," when referring to a small number of retired elderly ladies? And somehow this was equated to racism and prejudice against gays.



I then quoted points for discussion, but somehow they have been ignored in favor of "retired elderly ladies."

You are missing the point. The only reason the writer noted that the women were elderly and retired was to make it easier to dismiss their argument. It is the same concept as saying that a few fat people showed up to voice their disapproval towards the construction of a bike trail, some young black men opposed the construction of a new jail, or some bearded men wearing hemp clothing opposed new drug laws.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by Chemistry_Guy

You are missing the point.

No, actually I am not missing anything. I am endeavoring to discuss points such as these:

Bringing density back to Downtown and OTR means more vitality and more tax dollars to support the entire City

As I'm sure you know, these kinds of rail transit projects in mid-size US cities (Phoenix, Tucson, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Providence, St. Paul, Seattle, Portland, Fort Lauderdale, Milwaukee, Charlotte, New Orleans, Atlanta) are either operational or in the works for one simple reason. That reasons is this: all the data shows that these rail-transit projects are big drivers of economic development ("in-fill" development as the urban planners call it) which:
* makes urban street life more dense, vital and safe
* drives up tax revenue and property values, and
* creates an environment that attracts young families with children — thus helping to revitalize neighborhood public schools with stronger parent participation, stronger PTAs, and more children walking to school.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by Chemistry_Guy

I see some advantages to a streetcar system, and I am generally a fan of public transit......

There are also disadvantages to a streetcar system, namely the opportunity cost of the project and the yearly operating budget.

I did miss your earlier post. Will respond a little later.

[flashes1]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

No, actually I am not missing anything. I am endeavoring to discuss points such as these:

There's a ton of positives with public transportation (I ride the bus everyday---so I'm all for public transportation), but can the city of Cincinnati afford to build this particular mode of public transportation and can the street car be self-sufficient once it's going, and if not how much will it cost the city and can this be afforded? Some people have their doubts......and when they voice their concerns they are belittled and patronized......and sometimes worse. All you have to do is read the posts from about 5 people on this site if you don't believe me.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by flashes1

There's a ton of positives with public transportation (I ride the bus everyday---so I'm all for public transportation), but can the city of Cincinnati afford to build this particular mode of public transportation and can the street car be self-sufficient once it's up? Some people have their doubts......and when they voice their concerns they are belittled and patronized......and sometimes worse. All you have to do is read the posts from about 5 people on this site if you don't believe me.

I understand. I'm endeavoring to rise above, and learn more about how Cincinnati and it's streetcar are going to get along, if at all, since Council votes today.

[TomJones123]

And we are moving forward.

Cincinnati Streetcar Funding Vote Passed