Cincinnati metro area projected to overtake Cleveland in 2015 (Columbus, Akron: buy, living in)

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by motorman

Really, what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with what is now.

First of all, except in your own retelling, Cincinnati never constructed some sort of "musical museum" to counter that of Cleveland. After all, Cleveland claimed that dour note all for itself and with mixed results. If Cincinnati had only promoted its own King Records on Brewster Ave, the "history" of rock 'n roll would be different--even in Memphis.

Next, "The Banks." Do you honestly believe that Cincinnati's residential riverfront complex was constructed solely in response to Cleveland's Flats? P-l-e-a-s-e... The Banks was an essential component of upscale urban housing. Thus, Cleveland's "Flats" had absolutely nothing to do with any development along Cincinnati's cherished riverfront.

Thank God they never went through with that American Music Hall of Fame b.s.; but yes, that is what I am talking about. Not saying ''The Banks'' (Cinci's riverfront) is a result of Cleveland's ''The Flats'' (Cleveland's riverfront) but the name is; total rip-off on name. ''The Banks'' name and development is too contrived.
Cleveland was selected for the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, it didn't build it or claim it on its own. Having a promoted record label would not have landed Cincinnati as the Rock n Roll Capital of the World. Not a big deal but, sorry.

[Dayton Sux]

''The Flats'' (Cleveland's riverfront) but the name is; total rip-off on name. ''The Banks'' name and development is too contrived.

The failure of The Flats to thrive is pretty damning for Cleveland.

The Flats was sort of the promotional image of Clevelands' revival, but it collapsed...what's up with that? You wouldnt expect such a great concept to go under.....now it seems Milwaulkee has sort of become the "new Cleveland" the way it's revitalized its industrial river ...from their downtown into Lake Michigan.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Dayton Sux

The failure of The Flats to thrive is pretty damning for Cleveland.

The Flats was sort of the promotional image of Clevelands' revival, but it collapsed...what's up with that? You wouldnt expect such a great concept to go under.....now it seems Milwaulkee has sort of become the "new Cleveland" the way it's revitalized its industrial river ...from their downtown into Lake Michigan.

The Flats is being transformed once again my friend. The original Flats district wasn't a ''concept'' thing at all; it just sprouted up on its own with no grand master plan. Unlike ''The Banks'' which was nothing and became ''the concept'' thing with a Master Plan and all. The Flats were more like Cinci's Over the Rhine; just started happening and taking off with pioneers going in and developing and converting old buildings/warehouses etc.

If anything, Cinci copied the idea from Cleveland's Flats, so I will retract my previous statement; the name and the riverfront development came from Cleveland's Flats as did Milwaukee. It's not a bad thing to take ideas from other cities, all cities do this, but Cinci's had to be ''created'' from nothing. Cleveland wanted to have its own Baltimore Inner Harbor; still working on that one though. Cleveland's Flats took off helter-skelter in the '80s. The old time bars down there were Fagan's and the Pirate's Cove; old biker and longshoreman joints.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Dayton Sux

The failure of The Flats to thrive is pretty damning for Cleveland.

The Flats was sort of the promotional image of Clevelands' revival, but it collapsed...what's up with that? You wouldnt expect such a great concept to go under.....now it seems Milwaulkee has sort of become the "new Cleveland" the way it's revitalized its industrial river ...from their downtown into Lake Michigan.

The whole ''concept'' thing of creating these ''instant funlands'' is so vanilla bland; The Banks is the epitome of this. The East Bank in Cleveland is semi like this but it's a reinvention of the old bar-hopping Flats at least. The East Bank of the Flats down river road to St. Clair where the Waterfront Light Rail cuts the street will be more stable residential, restaurant etc. Not the roaring '80s-'90s. The West Bank is still OK, with lots of residential development.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Thank God they never went through with that American Music Hall of Fame b.s.; but yes, that is what I am talking about. Not saying ''The Banks'' (Cinci's riverfront) is a result of Cleveland's ''The Flats'' (Cleveland's riverfront) but the name is; total rip-off on name. ''The Banks'' name and development is too contrived...

You're trying too hard to make a connection between The Flats and The Banks, thus giving Cleveland credit for something it doesn't deserve. First of all, "The Banks" was nothing more than a generic name, picked from an assortment of other names, to describe Cincinnati's riverfront development. (After all, what river doesn't have "banks"?) Secondly, Cincinnati's beloved Ohio River was the sole focal point of this waterfront development, not some lesser river in Cleveland. Thirdly, to believe that Cincinnati's riverfront was some sort of wasteland before the construction of The Banks ignores the rich history along the river in downtown. All one has to do is examine historical photos to see the density of commerce and activity that preceded GABP, PBS and "The Banks."

Cleveland was selected for the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, it didn't build it or claim it on its own. Having a promoted record label would not have landed Cincinnati as the Rock n Roll Capital of the World. Not a big deal but, sorry.

Nobody suggested that where the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame was built should have been changed because of King Records. However, few R&R and R&B-lovers know or appreciate what transpired on Brewster Avenue. (Too bad you can't ask James Brown about King Records, or he could share with you the entire story.) Thus, Cincinnati never received the musical recognition it deserved nor the music business that made Nashville famous and rich.

[kjbrill]

I believe we have run this discussion into the ground far enough. #1 who on a Cincinnati forum wants to hear about Cleveland? It is about as boring as another poster who wants to tell us how great Minneapolis St-Paul is. I have only one comment on this, why are they not on their own city's forum convincing everyone how great they are doing?

[ProkNo5]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

I believe we have run this discussion into the ground far enough. #1 who on a Cincinnati forum wants to hear about Cleveland? It is about as boring as another poster who wants to tell us how great Minneapolis St-Paul is. I have only one comment on this, why are they not on their own city's forum convincing everyone how great they are doing?

Brill, said certain poster likes to talk about how great Minneapolis is...never St Paul. St Paul is a conservative old river town with great architecture, classical beauty, and not nearly enough "cool" factor for Minneapolitanianites (or whatever the heck they're called), sound familiar?

Regarding this thread. There's really no point to the discussion. Cincinnati is beating out Cleveland economically. Talking about how we're better or worst than each other in any other category is irrelevant.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

I believe we have run this discussion into the ground far enough. #1 who on a Cincinnati forum wants to hear about Cleveland? It is about as boring as another poster who wants to tell us how great Minneapolis St-Paul is. I have only one comment on this, why are they not on their own city's forum convincing everyone how great they are doing?

Agreed. Ideally, subsequent discussion should center on the economies of the "2-Cs" rather than on the entirety of their amenities. The original issue was an economic one, more than anything else.

[INsync33]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Thank God they never went through with that American Music Hall of Fame b.s.; but yes, that is what I am talking about. Not saying ''The Banks'' (Cinci's riverfront) is a result of Cleveland's ''The Flats'' (Cleveland's riverfront) but the name is; total rip-off on name. ''The Banks'' name and development is too contrived.
Cleveland was selected for the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, it didn't build it or claim it on its own. Having a promoted record label would not have landed Cincinnati as the Rock n Roll Capital of the World. Not a big deal but, sorry.

LOL
Lets just start by saying that Cincinnati is doing better financially and economically than cleveland, cincinnatians don't want anything to do with cleveland. Cincinnati is just growing faster, yes i know cleveland's downtown has improved to but cincinnati's downtown is ten times more vibrant than clevelands, you should go there on a work day or a saturday night the nightlife is incredible.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

So Franklin and Delaware Counties are considered separate areas?

I have no idea what you're asking here in relation to what you quoted.

Franklin and Delaware are in the same metro.