More Streetcar Delays (Cincinnati, Kent, Mason: taxes, floor, rail)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by WILWRadio

^^^How do you expect anyone to take you seriously on this subject or any subject that pertains to the Cincinnati metro area when you apparently split time between Mexico City and Columbus, OH?

The argument that the vast majority of people in this country are using cars is valid. Very valid. Ultimately it is up to the majority of citizens in the Cincinnati area to decide if they want to and can afford to build a rail transit system. I support Light Rail as previously stated more than once but I do not support Slight Rail which can't carry very many riders or truly cover a wide geographical area effectively.

The location of where I am posting has nothing to do with anything I just said about transit. Why would it?
I acknowledge that most people use cars, but I also acknowledge that the system is set up so that that is literally the only possible outcome. Of course everyone drives. Why wouldn't they when almost every single dollar goes to supporting that single system?
To be honest, street cars are really the lowest form of rail, and the least likely form of rail to substantially alter transit usage. In many cases, they get built less as a form of moving people around conveniently than being used to spur adjacent private development. That can be a useful tool in and of itself, but I don't think street cars can be used as an example of high-capacity mass transit. That's why so many cities build them in mixed traffic, which keeps them slow. If they were built with dedicated lanes, they'd be much more effective.

[WILWRadio]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

The location of where I am posting has nothing to do with anything I just said about transit. Why would it?
I acknowledge that most people use cars, but I also acknowledge that the system is set up so that that is literally the only possible outcome. Of course everyone drives. Why wouldn't they when almost every single dollar goes to supporting that single system?
To be honest, street cars are really the lowest form of rail, and the least likely form of rail to substantially alter transit usage. In many cases, they get built less as a form of moving people around conveniently than being used to spur adjacent private development. That can be a useful tool in and of itself, but I don't think street cars can be used as an example of high-capacity mass transit. That's why so many cities build them in mixed traffic, which keeps them slow. If they were built with dedicated lanes, they'd be much more effective.

Yes, it does matter where you are located.

How can you claim that an area where you don't even live needs a form of mass transit that you may very well never even ride? You don't have any kind of stake in such a project like the people that live and work in the area. It would be like me telling the people of Portland, OR that they need to build a subway simply because other cities in the country have one.

One size does not fit all. Until you grasp this, there is no point in even trying to discuss this with you again.

[jjakucyk]

WILW, you do realize that cities, states, even countries bring in outside consultants for all sorts of projects, not just transportation. That someone doesn't have "any kind of stake in such a project" is irrelevant. In fact, that's a big reason why outside consultants are usually brought in, to get around all the baggage of preconceived notions and parochial blinders. It's the Henry Ford "if I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses" kind of situation.

[WILWRadio]

Originally Posted by jjakucyk

WILW, you do realize that cities, states, even countries bring in outside consultants for all sorts of projects, not just transportation. That someone doesn't have "any kind of stake in such a project" is irrelevant. In fact, that's a big reason why outside consultants are usually brought in, to get around all the baggage of preconceived notions and parochial blinders. It's the Henry Ford "if I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses" kind of situation.

I'm well aware of that. And look at how poorly managed so many cities have become and they have the budget deficits to prove it. What you get are egotistical people that think they are experts in areas where they have no prior experience. I dealt with it in radio in years past and see it again happening with this street car in Cincinnati.

[jjakucyk]

Correlation does not equal causation. Same as saying that everyone drives is because everyone wants to drive, rather than not having any other choice.

[Yac]

Everybody calm down. This is the last warning, continue getting personal and I will do more than just delete a handful of posts.
Agree to disagree, ignore each other or try to actually debate the points by the other guy, these are your options. Name calling because someone has a different opinion is not ok.
Yac.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by WILWRadio

Yes, it does matter where you are located.

How can you claim that an area where you don't even live needs a form of mass transit that you may very well never even ride? You don't have any kind of stake in such a project like the people that live and work in the area. It would be like me telling the people of Portland, OR that they need to build a subway simply because other cities in the country have one.

One size does not fit all. Until you grasp this, there is no point in even trying to discuss this with you again.

My comments about transit are not location-specific, meaning that they apply to everywhere from Cincinnati to New York to Columbus to Fargo. It doesn't matter where I'm currently posting from, because those transit realities don't change. If you want to get into more specifics, the only real concern is which type of transit is best for each city, along with which routes.
Whether or not I personally have a stake in a city's transit system is irrelevant, because I still have certain opinions, based on facts, about roads and transit. Roads are overbuilt and don't pay for themselves. That is an undeniable reality.
I don't know why me being in Mexico continues to be an issue with some people. My views didn't become less valid crossing a border.

[Coseau]

Marketing firm Empower moving offices to OTR. Marketing firm Empower moving offices to OTR

[motorman]

The streetcar's first on-board advertising:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...onsorship.html

[Coseau]

The Cincinnati Reds Findlay Market opening day parade had such a huge crowd turnout similar in size to other cities World Series championship victory celebrations. They had to shorten the parade to 2 hours in length. It was telecast on all three local television networks. A co-worker who went down there said it was so beautiful because the vibe was so positive full of togetherness and community.